With Dr. Hulda R. Clark and Jan Matthews
Jan Matthews: Dr. Clark, could you please
tell us little about your background?
Dr. Clark: That is a bit difficult, considering
that I have a number of years to a put my memory through, but thanks for
inviting me. I would first of all say that I come from a hard science background:
Physics, Biochemistry, and Biophysics, which was my final training. And
consequently I was interested in the electronics of the device that I was
using and did come to some conclusion as to how it was functioning and how
I could simplify it to make it available to the public.
Jan Matthews: Could you describe the device
you were using?
Dr. Clark: There are two electronic devices
actually. One is called the Syncrometer and the other is
called the Zapper. The research that led up to them is
discussed a little in my book The Cure for All Diseases. The Syncrometer
is basically a way of scanning the body, of seeing into the body electronically
and seeing what’s there. Not only can you see what’s there in
the body as a whole, but you can specify a tissue to see what is in, for
instance, your muscles or what is in your brain, or what is in a specific
part of your brain, such as the medulla, or what is in a specific part of
your ear giving you your tinnitus, and so on. So, it is a device that lets
you electronically scan your own body to find out what is there and what,
of course, may be giving you a problem.
Jan Matthews: How does the Zapper relate?
Dr. Clark: The Zapper was developed because
I found with the Syncrometer that each animal, such as ourselves or a virus
or bacteria, has as a band of frequency that it puts out. It puts out some
kind of energy that has a bandwidth and if you give it a high energy at
some frequency inside that bandwidth, you can kill it. So that was the original
discovery and that is discussed too, in my Diseases book. The original discovery
was with a frequency generator and an A/C signal, but the Zapper is not
a frequency generator. We later found that you don’t need to be precise
with the frequency, that you could use a square wave and very little energy
from a source, such as a 9volt battery, and it killed all the parasites
and bacteria and virus that you have that are accessible to the current
— kill them together. Therefore, not requiring that you know what
the frequency is, nor do them sequentially.
Jan Matthews: When you say parasites, are
you talking about worms, bacteria and viruses?
Dr. Clark: Yes.
Jan Matthews: If I have the flu, will it
kill the flu?
Dr. Clark: Yes. You may not succeed, but
you can. Many people many times do succeed. But the flu is complicated.
The flu can be a virus or it can be something else. If you first find out
diagnostically, with the Syncrometer, what your flu is, of course, you stand
a much better chance of killing it.
Jan Matthews: Can we actually determine the
parasites and the viruses and the bacteria that are in our body?
Dr. Clark: Yes.
Jan Matthews: And where they are located
— using the Syncrometer?
Dr. Clark: Yes. That is the new technology.
So, you’re not only searching for things like mercury or a metabolite
like lactic acid — you can include other living things like a specific
worm or the staph bacteria in your search with the Syncrometer.
Jan Matthews: Why has the medical establishment
failed to recognize the cause of so many of the diseases that we seem to
be plagued with these days?
Dr. Clark: I think that they are certainly
interested — they are certainly not disinterested. But, time and money
are the main constraints on any research. The money and time that regular
clinical biochemistry and micro-biology technologies require are prohibited
for studying everything the way we would like to have them studied. It is
not possible, using the old technologies, to go after research problems
in numbers the way we need to now because of the big increase in our health
problems. It’s the new technology that is going to make it possible,
the way that I have begun it.
Jan Matthews: So the key to discovering many
of these causes is the Syncrometer?
Dr. Clark: Yes, because in one afternoon
you can discover more than you could discover in a year of doing regular
Jan Matthews: Many dollars are spent in cancer
and arthritis research, and money is certainly being put into these areas
to detect or determine what the causes are, and yet we seem to come up with
new ways of treating symptoms rather than discovering what the root cause
is. Why is it that we’re not getting this insight?
Dr. Clark: There isn’t really enough
money to go around. There is also one more fact — the parties who
are going to do the funding have to believe in the project. There is a component
of understanding or belief that goes with doing research. For instance,
as long as you don’t believe that it is possible that an insect is
making you sick, you will not spend your money on such a project nor give
anybody else money on such a project. The fact that Malaria is brought to
you by an insect was very ludicrous at one time. It could not get research
funds. As long as there is a paradigm of thought in the funding agency that
excludes certain biological explanations for disease they, of course, will
never give funding for those projects. We just have to wait for the personnel
in those agencies that govern the funding to be replaced by individuals
who have broader knowledge and greater insight into the possible cause of
Jan Matthews: So we actually need to open
the minds of these people, so they don’t predetermine the outcome
of a particular research project?
Dr. Clark: That’s a pretty big agenda.
I don’t think that we can open the minds of persons who are very well
established in their professions. I know that’s true for me in my
profession. We just have to wait for younger professionals, who have a greater
experience, to come along and fill these shoes.
Jan Matthews:It seems to me that
we should make The Cure for All Diseases required reading for all
who begin premed or medical school.
Dr. Clark: Yes, or if not required reading,
given as a reference text in case they get ill.
Jan Matthews: Oh, yes, when you
make it personal it sometimes becomes . . .
Dr. Clark: It goes much faster to your understanding.
Jan Matthews: It seems like chronic, debilitating
and fatal diseases are becoming more prevalent in our society. Cancer is
on the increase, as well as arthritis. More and more people have these diseases.
What is causing this?
Dr. Clark: My conjecture is that it is due
to the increase in the use of chemicals, particularly solvents and certain
other toxic chemicals. These have handicapped our immune systems. I would
specify the gasoline industry to be responsible for AIDS — it’s
the mixing of the gasoline industry with the food industry. Now, when I
say gasoline industry, I can be more specific: Anywhere there is gasoline
there is a trace, an ultra trace of benzene. The Syncrometer, which
is extremely sensitive, detects benzene wherever there are petroleum products
— no matter how cleaned up they have become for use in human food,
for instance, or in human body products, or in water. This, my conjecture,
is very frightening to me — that the gasoline industry has polluted
the biosphere in this way — our food, our body products, the feed
for animals, our water. It has set a train in motion for reduced immunity.
Jan Matthews: So it’s basically something
like Vaseline or some of the lubricants?
Dr. Clark: Yes, exactly! Lipstick!
Jan Matthews: Lip balms?
Dr. Clark: Yes.
Jan Matthews:I notice you talk
about bottled water also being contaminated.
Dr. Clark: Yes, contaminated with antiseptic
and contaminated with pump oil. The pump oil is a petroleum product. The
antiseptic is another solvent. We are not so much inundated, yet we are
pervasively poisoned by traces of these items. It is true that while we
are healthy and younger we can detoxify these traces. But, there comes a
point when it becomes too much for even the young and that is certainly
true with benzene. It is what I have seen in all the HIV and AIDS cases
that I have seen, which is somewhat over 300 now. In every case, without
fail, there was benzene buildup. By benzene buildup I mean nothing mysterious
or something that had to be conjectured. You simply search for benzene,
which is a pure test substance. You search for it in an organ in the body,
or the body as a whole, of the patient.
Jan Matthews: I notice that isopropyl alcohol
seems to be pervasive. I read my shampoo label and I see Propylene Glycol
and rubbing alcohol. I see isopropyl alcohol all over the place and I know
you mention it as contaminating soft drinks, bottled water and this type
of thing. I read a material safety data sheet that listed isopropyl alcohol
and it said it was extremely toxic and to be avoided. It said to go as far
as to use face protection and rubber gloves when using it, and yet I find
it as the main ingredient in many of our cosmetics and apparently it gets
into our beverages and food industry. What is happening here?
Dr. Clark: That is a paradox that is very
well stated — just the way you stated it. Many of the substances that
are in our foods and our products are very toxic if you read the MSDS sheets.
Should we then not believe the MSDS sheets? And why isn’t something
done about that, then? Well, those are two different questions. The MSDS
sheets are correct, but its common knowledge that they might not be stating
the case in reference to the way you are using it. So, even though mercury
is very toxic and so on, if you mix it as an amalgam in your tooth, you
won’t drop dead and you won’t have all these problems. So the
public lore, the professional lore, is that it is not really so toxic as
the MSDS sheets say.
Jan Matthews: They say: “There is only
a little bit there and it can’t really hurt you.”
Dr. Clark: That’s right. You don’t
see anybody dying, and of course a professional person would have the confidence
of an organization behind them, the ADA, or AMA or some other professional
organization on which they feel they can rely for information much more
than looking at an MSDS sheet.
Jan Matthews: I have a friend in the Food
and Drug Administration (FDA) and I have had discussions almost to the point
of debates with him about mercury. He basically tells me that the FDA makes
no safety claims about the dental industry and that the FDA doesn’t
approve of the use of mercury in dentistry — but they don’t
disapprove of it either! He says: “We take no stand on it, but be
clearly advised that the FDA has strict guidelines on the disposal of this
material and that some day you will have to reckon with the legal profession
on the advisability of including mercury in dentistry.”
Dr. Clark: I would like to hear Dr. Frank
Jerome [author of Tooth Truth] from Indiana speak to that subject.
He is an expert on that subject, much more than I am. I see the results
from using mercury in your mouth, but I am not an expert on the technical
issues of it.
Jan Matthews: I notice in your revised The
Cure for HIV and AIDS that you go into great detail concerning new
views you have on dentistry. Could you tell us a little about that?
Dr. Clark: The new views are primarily rather
negative. We have not apparently found a replacement tooth material that
is safe in itself. Or can be safely glued to the existing tooth part that
you still have in your mouth. Two problems are created: The first problem
is the toxicity of the tooth material that’s going to replace the
missing part of your tooth and the second problem, which might even be greater,
is that there is a crevice left under the filling which invites bacteria
of the Clostridium family. These are probably the worst members of the bacteria
family that we can invite into ourselves. And they are bacteria that initiate
our tumors or if not actually initiate them, cause them to become aggressive.
Jan Matthews: How do the bacteria actually
effect the tumor? I mean, you’re saying that in our teeth we have
the Clostridium bacteria?
Dr. Clark: Yes!
Jan Matthews: And it’s either a cause
or an accelerating element in the growth of tumors? Is that cancerous tumors
or non-cancerous tumors, or both?
Dr. Clark: I have clearly distinguished between
cancerous and non-cancerous tumors. But it is the distinction that is somewhat
arbitrary in the clinical sense. Clinically, the distinction is made on
the basis of observing the cytology tissue and that is rather vague. I have
removed the vagueness of the distinction by saying that at a point where
a certain stimulator is produced, at that point, we will call it malignant.
That is what I am using and I think it is by far the best, it’s at
least precise, and the only time that you do have this stimulator produced
in your body is when you have a particular parasite. The stages are found
in your organs. These stages abound in our food and they can easily be found
clinically if somebody were to search about to find them. But, in doing
so they have to believe in what they are searching for, of course. So the
distinction between malignant and non-malignant is precise in my definition,
and not so precise clinically. I would prefer mine, of course. So, before
the tissue becomes malignant it is not malignant. You can say it is benign
or pre-malignant or something much earlier than that even and the Clostridium
bacteria occur at an even earlier time. It is before the tissue has become
malignant but while it is setting up to be malignant. In other words, the
Clostridium is denigrating the DNA for the tumor to become aggressive and
grow even before it is malignant.
Jan Matthews: Is there a way of detecting
tumors in an early stage?
Dr. Clark: With the Syncrometer it is quite
easy. You simply put a pure sample of DNA in the circuit and use the Syncrometer
the way you’re taught to use it (Syncrometer Class given at the Self
Health Resource Center). Search for it in any one of your tissues. Wherever
you find it, you will find a small abnormal growth. If it’s large
enough to see on a scan, of course, you will see it. And I always recommend
doing a scan immediately if you find DNA in a particular organ because there
will be a small abnormal growth beginning there. You don’t know how
far along it is, so in either case it’s best to have some kind of
a picture, a scan or an ultrasound, of that organ to see if the small abnormal
growth is big enough for you to see. Very often it is. Well over half of
the ones we find can be seen on some kind of X-ray picture after we find
Jan Matthews: So, by using the Syncrometer
and a DNA sample, you can actually detect breast tumors, or brain tumors,
at a very early stage and thenuse some sort of confirming
device to actually take a picture of the tumor?
Dr. Clark: Oh, yes, we do it all the time.
Sometimes it’s not so early. Very many tumors are undetected at an
early stage because there are no symptoms. The first symptom of a brain
tumor might be having a seizure or being dizzy and falling down. Or the
tumor might already be fairly large. It could be the size of a pea or the
size of a nickel, and you can spot that pretty easily on a CT (computerized
tomography) scan of the brain. At that point you couldn’t go after
it, of course, so this is by far the most meticulous way to search the body
for a tumor.
Jan Matthews: The Syncrometer will actually
detect tumors even before they’re detectable using other means, such
Dr. Clark: To be detectable by other means
they pretty much have to be 4 millimeters at least in size, and most of
those get missed. In fact, a lot of brain CT scans missed tumors that were
5 to 6 or 7 millimeters across. It’s understandable. There are no
particular symptoms and some symptoms, like memory loss or a change in personality
in an elderly person, aren’t taken so seriously by the medical profession
that they would search very carefully and look for a tumor in the brain.
Jan Matthews: So, once you detect it on the
Syncrometer you know that its there and it can then be searched for more
diligently and looked for until its found, rather than: “I didn’t
see it so it must not be there.”
Dr. Clark: That’s right, but, of course,
we can get rid of it in one day, so you would need to jump to attention
and get that scan made so you can see it before its gone. We take the DNA
out of it in a day or two.
Jan Matthews: How do you do that?
Dr. Clark: Well you have to know that the
DNA is made by the Clostridium bacteria. And that the Clostridium
is coming from two sources and two only: The intestinal tract and
your teeth; the large fillings, especially plastic fillings, in your teeth.
Jan Matthews: So, by removing the fillings
. . .
Dr. Clark: Yes, we take those fillings out,
pronto. If possible, the first day or the second day — even before
I see the patient because that’s the lifesaving feature. That’s
where time is so important; we take those out and we clear the intestinal
tract of Clostridium bacteria. Evidentially the teeth are infecting the
intestine — not other way around.
Jan Matthews: How do you get the Clostridium
bacteria out of the intestine?
Dr. Clark: We have a supplement which is
essentially a stomach supplement: betaine hydrochloride. It will
clear the Clostridium bacteria out of most of the intestinal tract —
it will push them back down all the way to the colon. A cancer patient ordinarily
will have Clostridium bacteria all the way up from the colon through the
stomach and even in the esophagus. And, also, in whichever organ is involved
in having tumors — it is sometimes all over the body. But, by using
betaine hydrochloride to clear it from the intestinal tract, and removing
the teeth with the large fillings (because the entire tooth is really invaded
by the Clostridium) then the Clostridium goes away by itself. The body has
enough immunity to kill the bacteria that has entered these organs. It just
does not have the wherewithal to kill bacteria in a tooth crevice.
Jan Matthews: So, what you are doing is kind
of like killing an ant colony. You are killing the colony and the few little
ants that are still out there in the body, the immune system can handle
Dr. Clark: That’s right.
Jan Matthews: What you are doing is removing
the source of tumor formation.
Dr. Clark: Exactly, and you will see improvement
the very next day or two days later — it happens very quickly —
the body is exceedingly swift in correcting its health problems as soon
as you do the right thing. So, the very same day that you have the extractions
of the teeth with large fillings, the Clostridium is out of your mouth.
You still have to treat with betaine hydrochloride to clear it from the
intestinal tract; otherwise it would be quite slow. We do both together
and in two days we are rid of the DNA no matter where that tumor happens
to be growing.
Jan Matthews: And then the body itself will
eliminate the tumor?
Dr. Clark: There is more to it than that.
The tumor has already undergone quite a few mutations. Of course, it may
or may not have undergone all these mutations. You just have to study the
tumor with the Syncrometer to see what stage its in and how aggressive it
is and what has already happened to it — what mutations have already
Jan Matthews: Once we eliminate the Clostridium.
Dr. Clark: We have cut off the supply!
Jan Matthews: It’s the growth of the
tumor that we have stopped.
Dr. Clark: It’s the growth that we
have stopped, but we cannot shrink the tumor just by doing that. You may
be fortunate and your body may shrink it because it is now so powerful in
some way that we don’t understand yet. But, if you want to shrink
it with reliability you have to go after the rest of the dozen components
of that tumor. A tumor is much more complicated than a malignancy. The
malignancy is a simple invasion of the tumor. It is just an invasion by
a fluke parasite stage, which was assisted by isopropyl alcohol. It’s
quite easy to get rid of that. But the tumor was created in a complicated
way and perhaps you’ve had that for ten or twenty years already. So
its understandable that layer after layer has been added to that small growing
mass in order to make it an aggressive tumor.
Jan Matthews: In the USA and Canada is it
legal for licensed medical practitioners to use these methods to treat diseases?
Dr. Clark: I don’t know the answer
to that. I think you would need a medical attorney. Probably most medical
personnel themselves would have only an off-the-cuff answer and that would
not be precise enough. Certainly these devices could be used in a research
Jan Matthews: They would have to define what
they were doing and they would have to actually explain that this is experimental
Dr. Clark: I do that, though I am not medical
personnel and my profession isn’t medical.
Jan Matthews: Have any formal clinical tests
been conducted that were sanctioned by the medical establishment?
Dr. Clark: Using my methods?
Jan Matthews: Yes, using the Syncrometer.
Dr. Clark: Not that I know of, but they are
probably in the offing in the future.
Jan Matthews: I actually conducted my own
test with a patient with terminal colon cancer. When I first read The
Cure for All Diseases I thought: “This is so believable I have
to try it.” Soon thereafter, I had the privilege of working with a
gentleman named `Norm’ who had been treated elsewhere for six years
and came to me with terminal colon cancer. He had three large tumors on
his spine and we were able to stop the progress of the cancer using the
Zapper. I didn’t have a Syncrometer so I couldn’t tell what
was in there. I took your advice and I did this treatment based on faith.
Within twelve weeks this terminal patient, who was supposed to die in three
weeks, was actually back to work and was pronounced “in remission”
by his oncologist. So, I personally know that this technique works. It was
a very exciting experience and Norm is now looking for other people with
the same type of disorder and is making Zappers for them. One of the questions
he has is: “Now that I’ve cured the cancer, or that I am “in
remission,” and have gotten rid of this life threatening parasite
in my body and gotten rid of the isopropyl alcohol, how must I live the
rest of my life? How do I prevent this from coming back?"
Dr. Clark: That’s the most intelligent
question that he could ask. And I am glad that you brought it up because
if he doesn’t avoid isopropyl alcohol in his lifestyle, he is most
certain to pick up the same parasite again. Incidentally, we hear a lot
of very, very nice stories like Norm’s and, of course, that becomes
a driving force behind doing more research and probably behind your motivations
Jan Matthews: Absolutely!
Dr. Clark: Parasite stages abound in our
meat and dairy industry, so there is no way of completely avoiding it. For
that reason I would tell persons like Norm that we have to be aware that
the environment is very conducive to illness and unless we explore the whole
environment and the problems it brings to us we will never know how to improve
it. It will take persons like yourself to start to use the Syncrometer,
keep notes on everything they do, communicate with each other in their findings,
improve each others’ skills, and build the art — at present
there is still an art component to it — because it has not yet been
automated. But, of course, it’s in its infancy and everything has
to start in its infancy. I am very glad persons like yourself have the insight
to clear up a very ill person’s illness and not call it a “spontaneous
Many a clinical person might have been tempted to call it
“chance,” namely a “spontaneous remission.” It’s
something not understood well. This experience of yours does not fit the
pattern of what you might call a “spontaneous remission,” but
that little feature often gets overlooked. Say you dealt with a person whose
chance of recovery was very, very small. And, therefore, even if he is only
one person, changing his status was very, very unlikely. That anything can
do it is very significant, therefore you don’t throw that aside as
“due to chance.” Statistics, compiled by people like yourself,
are needed before people will realize that they are capable of doing something
Jan Matthews: I’ve read stories about
patients with colon or brain cancer being told they are terminal by the
medical establishment. After reading your book, I want cancer patients to
not worry about being terminal. I want them to just know the cause of their
cancer and how to deal with the cause.
Dr. Clark: Yes, and its very important for
people to know that you don’t have to understand every bit about the
technology that you’re using, as long as you can depend on it and
see that it works for you. In the same way, I don’t have to understand
just how the light is produced from a light bulb in order to use it.
Jan Matthews: All you have to know is where
the light switch is.
Dr. Clark: You do want somebody to know,
or somebody to be researching that, but you don’t have to be that
person - you may be busy trying to cure people. At this point, I would like
to tell you how very complicated it is to clear up terminally ill patients
and bring them back to health. You have really taken on three tasks: Getting
the malignancy out of them, getting the tumor to shrink, and bringing them
back to health. Those are three different things. You might have thought
that you really had only one problem, cancer, because they were so intertwined.
But in order to cure the cancer effectively you have to know its main components,
otherwise they will come after you. So, you need to be able to shrink that
tumor reliably, not by chance, so that you can expect it to happen in a
certain time frame. And then, do a CT scan to see that it has happened.
Then you would feel secure that you knew what the perimeters were, governing
the growth of that tumor, so that you could prevent it.
Jan Matthews: Is it true that in Germany
there are more than five hundred physicians that are interested in your
methods and are any of them using your methods in their practice?
Dr. Clark: I have heard that there are a
considerable number of professional people using this method and that there
is a growing interest, yes.
Jan Matthews: I noticed that The Cure
for All Diseases has been translated into German and Japanese. Are
there plans to translate the book into any other languages?
Dr. Clark: There are a number of languages
already that some of the books have been translated into.
Jan Matthews: I’d like to shift a little
bit and ask about some specific diseases. It seems that everyone I talk
to lately knows someone with Chron’s Disease. Chron’s
Disease is a devastating disease and, especially when a young person is
involved, it effects the other family members almost as much as the person
with the disease. In the October 1997 issue of Newsweek there was
an article about it and other diseases of the colon and intestine. The author
said small perforations could be seen in the wall of the intestine and that
these small perforations allowed bacteria, viruses and other pathogens to
get into the body. One of the speculations was that as the result of these
perforations things like diabetes, cancer, arthritis and other chronic and
devastating diseases occur. Could you comment on that?
Dr. Clark: I saw this happening more than
ten years ago when I had a number of cases of Chron’s disease. You’ll
have a large number of parasites growing in the upper part of the small
intestine and it becomes ulcerated. You would expect that. And, wherever
there is ulceration there is traffic through the wall. So, Salmonella bacteria,
especially, are very prevalent here and other bacteria, and the parasites
spread themselves out as much as they can. And, while the individual is
pretty young they cope with it, but later on they become debilitated.
Jan Matthews: Frequently, sections of the
intestine are removed, and because of scarring, there is restriction in
the intestine and this causes pain when food passes through. If we kill
the pathogens and clean up the various solvents in the body, will the body
repair that scarring?
Dr. Clark: I know that Chron’s Disease
patients can be corrected in a matter of weeks and the pain from scarring
has had definite improvement. I think you would have to look at that under
a microscope to see how the scar tissue is doing, but as long as there isn’t
any pain with it that’s not my first concern. I think getting Chron’s
patients back to eating normally and feeling normal and living a normal
life would be my first concern regardless of what the scar tissue is doing
Jan Matthews: I’m currently working
with a gentleman in Canada who has had Chron’s Disease for seven years.
One of the problems he has with it is chronic diarrhea, or at best, loose
stool. I read a book by Webster that says acidophilus bacteria, the good
flora in the colon, is beneficial for this problem. Webster claims there
is a method of restoring the good flora in a matter of weeks by an implant
method. He uses human acidophilus to correct the acidity problem —
to get the correct pH — and then he uses wheat whey, actually eaten
or taken in a liquid form, that feeds the flora. Have you had an experience
with anything similar?
Dr. Clark: I have not pursued very diligently
the changing of the flora with cultures because I haven’t been successful.
I find it’s a much faster approach to remove what shouldn’t
be there. In other words, cleaning up your lifestyle and killing your parasites.
That changes the body’s functions so quickly, changes your flora so
quickly, that it outweighs the other approaches, such as taking various
bacterial cultures. I tend to emphasize removal of bad things rather than
taking on new good things. I think there is a better chance of you getting
corrected by removing bad things.
Jan Matthews: Another very serious debilitating
disease is rheumatoid arthritis. Many people have this
and it is claimed that the immune system is attacking the person’s
own body. In The Cure for All Diseases you talk about roundworms
being present. Is it possible that the immune system is really attacking
roundworms that have been unidentified by the medical professionals?
Dr. Clark: I think that’s exactly right.
Either the immune system is attacking the bacteria that have become constant
in that tissue, or the parasite that has become a constant part of that
tissue. In rheumatoid arthritis you see a parasite very strongly in addition
to bacterial invasion — again coming from the teeth. It is pretty
easy to solve. You just clean up your teeth. That means removing
all infection from your mouth. You have to remove the source of the infection,
which is under the big fillings, and the bacteria that invade the joints.
Jan Matthews: I notice that the conventional
treatment is normally the suppression of the immune system. That’s
playing right into the invader’s hand, isn’t it?
Dr. Clark: Yes.
Jan Matthews: And, as a result, patients
frequently degenerate into a poor quality of life.
Dr. Clark: Yes.
Jan Matthews: I talked to a gentleman whose
wife has had rheumatoid arthritis for ten years. Her doctor put her on Prednisone
ten years ago and now every time she tries to get off the Prednisone she
goes into a coma because her adrenal glands literally shut down. Is there
an effective way of weaning her off of this serious drug?
Dr. Clark: No. There is not an effective
way, but you still have to do it. You must go very, very slowly and it is
a clinical problem getting off a drug like that, because it could be life
threatening. But, once you have your joint function back to a considerable
extent, the body has a resurgence of coping power some how. And you can
— and this is a conjecture — I think it would be a lot easier
to come down off this Prednisone after having cleared up the disease, the
joint disease, than beforehand. So, that is still a clinical problem. You
want to be in a doctor’s hands to observe you as you are cutting down
Jan Matthews: Dr. Clark, could you tell us
about your recently updated The Cure For All Cancers?
Dr. Clark: Yes, the updated Cure For
All Cancers (February 1998) has new information on what causes tumors.
It is brief because the book is about the malignancy and the malignancy
is the highest priority. To save a life you must quickly get rid of the
malignancy. Then you need to shrink the tumors and stop making tumors grow
and that is a different part of the problem. I have outlined that for my
readers in the update so that they can take measures to stop their tumors
from growing, to start shrinking their tumors, and to not have anymore tumors.
The other part that's new - and its a big part - is the dental
clean up. One has to do much better then I originally thought. In other
words, the plastic that I was recommending in the first issue of The
Cure For All Cancers, called composite material, I find is full
of those very things that cause tumors to grow. They are copper,
cobalt, malonic acid and its family, and
urethane, which is a very common tumor grower, which was
discovered way back in the 1920's. Urethane pollutes our plastic teeth
and seeps out continuously. It's part of the plastic industry and pollutes
many parts of our environment.
These composites also have an estrogen substance in them
and I'm not at all certain that it has anything to do with cancer or tumors
but we should not be sucking on an estrogen substance day and night. It's
bad for men and it's bad for women. We have a lot of women's problems, a
great deal of women's problems, not the least of which is osteoporosis.
We also have a great deal of men's problems. We should not be sucking on
estrogen. Finally, there is dye. The material used in dentures and
partials is often colored pink which is (usually) a very carcinogenic dye.
It is extremely carcinogenic, so having that in your mouth as a restoration
it's unthinkable. What you can do about all of this is what I have discussed
in the update.
Jan Matthews: One of the things you mention
in the book several times is malonic acid. What is the
problem with it? What is the cause? What problem does it present to the
body? And how do we get it into our food chain?
Dr. Clark: This comes as a surprise to a
biologist like me - that there should be something in ordinary food that
we, as animals, have been eating since time began, and that there should
be something rather harmful in it. Of course, there are other chemicals
in all foods that are harmful too, but nobody suspected malonic acid to
be present in food. Even though analyses have been made of say, orange juice,
which go back to the 1920's, and malonic acid was one of those acids that
Malonic acid is not only found in certain foods but it is
an industrial chemical. That's how all researchers became aware of it at
the turn of the century - in 1900. It was already known then that malonic
acid, which was being used in all industries at that time, caused inhibition
of oxygen; a slowdown of cellular respiration. It was known because experiments
had been done on dogs. By 1920 or so, the first great cancer researcher
discovered that no matter how you slow down respiration - whether by using
an anesthetic or another chemical, it didn't matter - if you slowed down
oxygen use by a living tissue, you could induce tumors.
But nobody ever combined those two facts, even though they
worked with them side by side. Cancer researchers worked with malonic acid
because it's the same research you did when you researched oxygen utilization.
And you could always see that malonic acid reduced oxygen utilization. So
malonic acid was a staple in any biochemist's experimentation for about
fifty years. But, while you could see that malonic acid always slowed down
respiration, and while it was known that slowed-down respiration led directly
to tumor formation, nobody thought that we, who are infected with tumor
formation, might be eating malonic acid - because it's an industrial chemical
- how could we be eating that?
Nobody, certainly not I, in my wildest dreams, would have
suspected malonic acid in the food we eat as a possible cause of tumors
in humans - spontaneous tumors - the way we get them spontaneously. But
there it was! The Syncrometer discovered it. Now, how to explain it. We
found it first wherever there were tapeworm eggs. And for a year I researched
that and decided finally that the tapeworm cysticercus stage or an egg stage
or some larval stage must be making it - or inducing us to make it right
there on sight.
So, first we found that there is malonic acid wherever there
is a tapeworm stage. Secondly, we found it in food! That was, of course,
mind boggling - how we could be eating our own tumor forming chemicals!
It was just too much to believe and yet every tumor that we analyzed, even
after the tapeworm stages were gone, still had malonic acid because we were
giving patients carrot juice! Even though they complained that they didn't
feel well after drinking it (there are a lot of complaints about carrot
juice) we insisted they drink it because of its good nutritional qualities.
Finally we understood the problem. Patients brought the problem to us. After
analysis we found it in the common everyday foods that we eat, specifically
carrots, tomatoes and several others. Fortunately the list is not very long.
Then we found one more place where you get malonic acid -
in your plastic tooth replacements - and from there it seeps into
your system day and night. It is a pretty hearty chemical. Its not one that
goes away or is easily detoxified - not at all! It consumes all our B-12
and folic acid, and that's were our vitamin C goes - that's why we need
grams of vitamin C.
Jan Matthews: Is that why you recommend vitamin
C powder on everything - to detoxify mold and get more vitamin C into our
Dr. Clark: It'll do that too, but the reason
we need so much more than the MDR - the commonly accepted small amount of
60 mg. - and we really do need these gigantic amounts, is to detoxify malonic
acid derivatives in some organ.
It doesn't go all over your body; it's attracted to those
organs perhaps that have metal in them because there is a chelating
effect of the malonic acid on the metal and vice versa. The dynamics of
it need a lot of study, of course, but the bottom line is we should never
be eating malonic acid. We should get the malonic acid out of our mouths
- stop sucking on it - and of course we should kill our tapeworm stages.
We do that with the updated parasite program. Thus we are free of malonic
acid in our bodies and the tumor is now free of one of the dozen things
that cause a tumor to grow.
Jan Matthews: Can we test for malonic acid
using the Syncrometer?
Dr. Clark: Oh yes, and its derivatives too.
I use four derivatives that I commonly see made in the body. If you eat
malonic acid the body changes it into methel melanate. In a healthy person
you don't see that. You don't see even malonic acid in the tissues of a
healthy person. A healthy young child who is eating a carrot will not depict
malonic acid in some organ that I am searching. Apparently the body has
metabolized it quickly in some other way. I don't know just how. That needs
to be researched. I have a theory in the book, but that's all it is.
But, once you have sickness - a sick organ somewhere - then
that's not what happens to malonic acid. A different route is taken. Apparently
you can no longer metabolize it normally and now your body tries to detoxify
it instead. First it makes methelylmalonic acid then it makes maleic acid
then maleic anhydride and then D(+) malic acid. These are not ordinarily
related chemicals in biochemistry. We are all familiar with these, but it
is only with the Syncrometer that I have detected the serial nature formation
of these - always in one direction and requiring certain vitamins and that
is why we need such large quantities of certain vitamins. And as soon as
you stop eating malonic acid, or getting malonic acid in any way, you relieve
the tremendous requirement for those vitamins.
For cancer patients the first thing we have to do is remove
all the malonic acid and dose them up heavily with those vitamins that they're
very, very short on because of having used up all those vitamins - first
in that organ and then in the rest of the body. The rest of the body has
tried to supply that organ with B-12, folic acid and vitamin C and in doing
so it has become depleted.
Jan Matthews: So, we definitely need nutritional
supplementation of the correct vitamins.
Dr. Clark: We do need nutritional supplementation,
but getting safe ones is another big hurdle.
Jan Matthews: Can we use our Syncrometer
to detect the safeness of nutritional supplements?
Dr. Clark: Absolutely. That's the whole idea.
You get yourself a Syncrometer and a set of the most common solvents that
pollute our supplements. They are manufacturing solvents and antiseptics
- used in manufacturing to clean the pumps, the tableter, and the tubing
that carries the material as it is pumped along - and to grease or oil things.
And when you find a product that is free of those you can take it. When
I accept a product I also test for all the heavy metals - about eighty them
(not all heavy metals, but toxins too) - that I have mentioned in the book.
Jan Matthews: Have you ever published a list
of brand names or do you not get involved in recognition of safe brands?
Dr. Clark: We need that service very much.
I was hoping that Syncrometer users would eventually make a newsletter for
themselves and exchange that information so that a good list could go out
Jan Matthews: Maybe someone will take the
initiative after reading this and go out and fight the good fight. I read
in your updated (1997) Cure For AIDS and HIV that you developed
a new treatment for ridding the body of Ascaris (roundworm)
and tapeworm. Could you elaborate on that for us, please?
Dr. Clark: Yes. It's an updated, more thorough
parasite-killing program than I had in the original books. I found that
a little bit of parasite could easily escape because you are not aware that
it is present. But in searching with the Syncrometer for remnants of Ascaris
(you can get different slides - the eggs and the different molding stages
and so on) you'll find very often that there is a remnant that did not get
killed. In order to kill that remnant of both tapeworm eggs and stages (cyst
stages, black cyst stages, cysticercus stages) and remaining Ascaris eggs
you need to do a more intense program. I call it a "Mop-Up" Program
- a combination of ozonated oil and L-Cysteine. We searched
many, many an item trying to find a way to kill the last remaining bits
of these two parasites. You might ask why they weren't killed just with
zapping and with the regular amounts of tincture and herbs. There's a good
reason. We found that although you kill the adult worm you have not killed
the eggs within the eggs - the eggs were sheltered from both the electricity
and the herbs - and they come out after you kill the adult worm and there
you are, still left with them. That can go on for three to four weeks, and
by then you have new cycles established. So you do have to mop that up right
after you kill the adults and do the general parasite-killing program so
there is an amount of L-Cysteine and ozonated oil that you need to take
that I have in the recipe. Do you want me to elaborate on the recipe?
Jan Matthews: Yes, please.
Dr. Clark: We have figured out that it takes
approximately two capsules of 500 mg of L-Cysteine taken
three times a day along with two or three tablespoons
of ozonated oil to "Mop Up." These items penetrate the
stages and even dead carcasses enough to kill the eggs within. But whether
you have done it completely depends on monitoring it with your Syncrometer
to be sure. This amount gets most of it, but I would like not to miss even
one in a hundred so I don't want to say that this is absolutely the amount
to be taken for everyone in every case. I am saying this is quite effective.
And I would like the individual to do some monitoring. But, if they don't
have a way to monitor themselves with a Syncrometer they should go on the
program in the book where it tells you what to do for three weeks or so
(and how to make your own ozonated
oil to cut the cost and to be in control of the whole procedure). You
can order L-Cysteine from Self Health Resource Center, (800) 873-1663, and
I have given other sources in the book.
Jan Matthews: When you say 'ozonated oil'
- is this something you can buy or something you make?
Dr. Clark: You buy an ozonator and some olive
oil and a ceramic aerator (or stone) from an animal shop (Aquarium store)
and bubble medium sized bubbles of ozone into the olive oil for twenty minutes,
and that produces a product that is singularly effective in penetrating
Jan Matthews: Is this more effective than
the black walnut tincture and wormwood and clove capsules?
Dr. Clark: You cannot do without the original
recipe - yet. So far, I have not found that you could. I am very keen on
reducing costs and streamlining a method and making it more convenient.
But not at the expense of anybody's health or life, so we have to do the
parasite program with its tincture and herbs carefully, just the way the
recipe says, and also add this "Mop Up" Program, but it is fairly
Jan Matthews: In your book The Cure for
All Diseases there is a one-line mention of Lou Gehrig's disease.
Lou Gehrig's disease is extremely debilitating and almost always leads to
death in two to five years. What have you found as the cause and what is
an effective treatment?
Dr. Clark: I've only had three cases of Lou
Gehrig's (where there were symptoms already) and I've had a number of cases
of ALS and there is some relationship between the two. I'm not sure just
what or whether they are identical, but for the Lou Gehrig's cases there
were large parasites, namely adult Fasciolopsis buskii in the brain.
Jan Matthews: Was that zylenes and toluene
at work again?
Dr. Clark: It was
Jan Matthews: Incredible.
Dr. Clark: It is very similar to Alzheimer's
disease in that respect. It probably is a matter of which part of the brain
is being attacked that decides which disease it will become.
Jan Matthews: What about Parkinson's
disease? Many very famous people like Muhammad Ali and Billy Graham have
Parkinson's disease and it appears that while they can live with it they
certainly have their bad days. Is it another parasite disease?
Dr. Clark: Yes it is. I've seen lots of Parkinson's
disease and we can clear it up completely (astonishing as that is) - to
where a person can be totally rehabilitated in spite of being on maximum
drugs - and can walk normally without drugs. The problem is the same still
-parasites in the brain - but there is an exceptionally
large accumulation of mercury and thallium as well, and malonic acid
and probably bacteria and virus from other parasites in addition, so that
the enzymes that make dopamine are inhibited. We can easily see when the
enzymes are present, and when they are not. You simply do that with Syncrometer
biochemistry, which I call electronic biochemistry. It's easy to see what
is present that is causing the enzymes to become inhibited and remove it,
restoring the activity of the enzymes, and the person walks . . . or skips.
Jan Matthews: In order to remove concentrations
of mercury and so forth, do you use chelation?
Dr. Clark: Nothing is as quick as stopping
the use of the source of the mercury. We have tried several different chelating
methods and they help somewhat, but they are not nearly as powerful as stopping
the use of a product that has the offending substance in it. In the case
of Parkinson's disease you must stop using toilet paper, paper hand-towels,
and anything else you use from the paper industry that has mercury in it.
Jan Matthews: You're talking about basically
a change in lifestyle, aren't you?
Dr. Clark: Yes, back to a more primitive
style, which was not so heavily polluted with mercury.
Jan Matthews: Another disease I've recently
heard about is Paget's disease of the bone, the result
of which is somewhat like that of osteoporosis, are you familiar with this
Dr. Clark: Yes, but I have not paid attention
to a specific classification such as Paget's disease. Although I've had
a number of cases involving bone disease I don't recall them automatically
as Paget's disease cases. I would not approach it in that manner. I would
approach it as, what are the parasites for this person, what are the main
toxins and solvents for this person, and eradicate those and then see what
results we have.
Jan Matthews: Are parasites involved in osteoporosis?
I mean, is this a nutritional problem? I notice that some people absorb
calcium more than others do. I think you mentioned, for instance, when you
drink milk if you don't excrete liver bile it's very difficult to absorb
Dr. Clark: Yes, but I think it is largely
a dental problem through its toxic effects on the thyroid and parathyroid
glands. I have found that the dietary intake of calcium or even vitamin
D is not nearly as large a force on your calcium level as how your thyroid
and parathyroid glands are doing. So, if you get those two tissues on slides
as well as parathyroid hormone and calcitonin and thyroxin as representatives
of these organs you'll find that if there is Clostridium bacteria
in your parathyroids, your calcium level drops very, very seriously. And
that is probably the basis of the low calcium levels that we see in people's
blood test results. We do blood tests for everyone we see and we've probably
seen two thousand patients in the last couple of years. Even when patients
have no calcium disorder and consider themselves okay in that area (they
may be a cancer patient but not concerned with a calcium problem), very
often we do see a low level of calcium (something like 8.6 or 8.7 instead
of 9.2 or 9.3 - where it should be), and it is always a toxin or bacterium
in the parathyroids. It may be malonic acid, Clostridium bacteria, copper,
cobalt and vanadium or other metals such as thallium or mercury in the parathyroids.
Jan Matthews: Does this also effect the activity
of the thyroid and the parathyroid? I have heard of people having a hyperactive
parathyroid and a hyperactive thyroid. My father has a hyperactive thyroid
and the normal procedure for dealing with that is to kill the thyroid gland
and then go on medicine the rest of your life. Is this another disease?
Dr. Clark: It's another ordinary disease.
You'll find that a thyroid that is hyperactive has metal in it, parasites
in it, bacteria in it and probably also virus, though I haven't pursued
that. So, it's the same kind of situation, and you can often clear it up
in a week
Jan Matthews: It's sad that people have these
organs removed in order to control it and then for the rest of their lives
they have to take some kind of drug to compensate for it.
Dr. Clark: Well, the future will be better
as we begin to understand the real nature of our diseases and begin to do
something about it.
Jan Matthews: When we consider diabetes,
there are different types of diabetes: Type 1 and Type 2. I know a case
where there is a one-year-old child who is on insulin everyday with severe
diabetes. Is it safe to use a Zapper on a one-year-old child?
Dr. Clark: That is a question that an attorney
needs to answer because my experience is not sufficient to safeguard the
public. So, I would rather not answer that question because I would have
to answer it from my experience.
Jan Matthews: I understand.
Dr. Clark: The parent needs to weigh for
himself or herself which risks they want to take. They have the circuit
in the book. They can build it if they choose.
Jan Matthews: Yes. In older people, when
we look at diabetes, I mean we've got parasites and we've got toxins involved.
Is there any new research in that area that you've done? Are there any new
Dr. Clark: You know, I didn't need to come
up with anything new because the old works perfectly well. The problem is
still wood alcohol everywhere in our food and in our body products. We are
weighted in wood alcohol. How should we not get pancreatic
damage, especially in the young? I have pictures of baby food in the book
- it's laced with wood alcohol - why wouldn't babies get diabetes?
Jan Matthews: If we could just clean that
out of our environment.
Dr. Clark: That's it. And I think that in
youngsters the body could kill the parasites by itself if you would only
remove the impediment, which is the wood alcohol.
Jan Matthews: Again the Syncrometer. If the
food industry used the Syncrometer on all processes they could actually
take care of that problem, couldn't they?
Dr. Clark: They certainly could. I hope there
will be some responsible manufacturers who take note of that.
Jan Matthews: Well, maybe someday we will
see companies that say: 'This product is certified free of solvents using
the Syncrometer method.
Dr. Clark:Yes, and even more precisely, 'This
product has been found free of mercury, thallium, isopropyl alcohol, benzene
and so on, up to a certain limit of concentration, using the Syncrometer
method.' That's the product I would like to buy.
Jan Matthews: Me too. Hepatitis C
is a particularly nasty disease, do you have any experience with that disease?
Dr. Clark: Oh, yes. I've seen quite a few
cases of Hepatitis C. It clears up very quickly - in less than three
Jan Matthews: Again, is it a parasite disease?
Dr. Clark: It's largely dental. The
bacteria and toxins from dental restorations have gone to the liver. The
liver eventually is unable to cope with it and allows growth of the parasites
and other bacteria in the liver and you see all kinds of viruses and bacteria
loose in the liver.
Jan Matthews: Our teeth are such a source
Dr. Clark: Yes, I'm afraid that that has
become quite a realization.
Jan Matthews: Dr. Clark, recently a friend
of mine told me of a friend who was just diagnosed with pancreatic
and liver cancer. It was last week and they've given him less than
four weeks to live and the doctor said there is nothing they can do to help
him. They've agreed to give him pain medicine as required toward the end,
but they basically advised him to pick out an undertaker.
Dr. Clark: That is not a particularly difficult
kind of cancer to cure with our method. We have had quite a few of these
cases and I consider liver cancer, in particular, one of the easier ones
to cure. Also pancreatic cancer - provided you have not become debilitated
yet, because of the cancer. If you can no longer eat, can no longer pass
any food and have become very ill, that adds a complication to the illness
that reduces the chances of success, of a cure. If the patient is still
able to function, the chances of success for a cure are at least 95%.
You just have to jump to it - don't waste a single day.
We would not waste a single hour if we had that patient because we know
that things happen that cannot be foreseen. Suddenly digestion is totally
cut off or suddenly the valves completely close and then you can no longer
correct it. So, as long as the patient is still functioning, jump to it.
Kill all the parasites to completion, which means you must include the "Mop
Up" Program. Get those infected teeth and teeth with fillings in them
out faster than you can count them. Do the dental aftercare program to be
very, very careful about getting rid of the infection in the mouth and follow
all the other precautions that I give you. It is not that difficult. It'll
be 50% dental, 50% parasites.
Jan Matthews: In our schools today, there’s
a scourge of a disease called Attention Deficit Disorder
(ADD) or Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder (ADHD). These children are
treated with amphetamines like Ritalin and I understand that zapping can
help that disorder. Do you have any experience with ADD and ADHD?
Dr. Clark: Yes, it’s a very common
problem for children. It’s due to weak liver function. Children have
weak livers, meaning that they cannot detoxify the food that we are giving
Jan Matthews: Especially sugar. I think they
have a problem with sugar, don’t they?
Dr. Clark: They can have a reaction to
the isopropyl alcohol and the mold that is in the sugar. Sugars are
laced with those things; it is not the sugar molecule itself that is the
Jan Matthews: It’s the pollutants within
Dr. Clark: Yes, so the first thing I do is
switch them to confectioners sugar, which is dextrose not
sucrose. We don’t find the confectioners sugar polluted. That’s
what we give our patients.
Jan Matthews: Does the liver cleanse help?
Dr. Clark: No. That is not appropriate. The
appropriate measure is to remove the toxins that the liver is challenged
by. It is not right to challenge children’s livers with the toxic
food and non-food products we are giving them. We are giving the children
dye, D-Y-E, in the foods they are eating. The milk is laced with dye. Butter
and cheese are laced with dye. The candy is all laced with dye and the beverages
that they are drinking are colored with dye. The liver must detoxify the
dye. The foods they are eating are also contaminated by the gasoline industry,
namely benzene and other solvents — why shouldn’t they suffer?
Generations ago children were not challenged by these terribly destructive
toxins. It’s sad. It’s a sad commentary on our so-called civilized
lifestyle that our children cannot digest the food they are eating.
Jan Matthews: I agree. Leukemia
is a particularly debilitating disease. My mother in law has leukemia. She
is eighty years old and she’s been given chemotherapy and she has
to take some kind of toxic drug every day, which keeps her very weak, and
has ruined her quality of life. What advice do you have for people who have
Dr. Clark: The parasite program is very easy
to take, even for the very elderly. In fact, they enjoy it. They feel so
much better afterward that they’ll often ask for another dose. So,
the correct solution is to kill the parasites, in particular the remnant
of Ascaris that is there, which produces the bone-marrow toxin hydroxy urea
(the exact medicine that is often given for leukemia). Follow the diet,
especially the dairy rule: Stop eating un-sterile dairy products. By removing
the parasites and doing some of the environmental clean up that I mention
in the book, I think she should recover in just three weeks.
Jan Matthews: That fast. That’s amazing.
When you talk of bone-marrow, there’s bone-marrow cancer, is that
Dr. Clark: Very similar.
Jan Matthews: The Ascaris?
Dr. Clark: Yes, and tapeworm stages.
Jan Matthews: Dr. Clark, I have people come
up to me in restaurants when they see I’m reading The Cure For
All Cancers or looking something up in The Cure For All Diseases.
They will strike up a conversation by asking me about the book and then
go on to tell me about a parent or other family member who has cancer or
another disease. But, when I’m reading The Cure For HIV and AIDS
never has anyone struck up a conversation with me — I mean people
literally walk ten feet around me when they see that book and nobody ever
wants to talk about it. AIDS has such a stigma to it that even when I ask
people if they know anyone who has AIDS they say they absolutely don’t
know anyone. Would you please share with us some of your experiences with
Dr. Clark: AIDS (acquired immune deficiency
syndrome) or having HIV is still embarrassing to quite a few people. That’s
unfortunate because we are all headed in that direction. I am not saying
we are all headed in the direction of having the HIV virus but we are headed
in the direction of having AIDS, which is just low immunity. We already
see low immunity. The white blood cell count of the average person walking
on the street is lower now than it was twenty years ago. I have hundreds
of white blood cell count blood test results showing low immunity. I have
a set of about three hundred of these done over a ten year time period from
1980-1990, and many more recent ones.
That the white blood cell count is lower is the single clearest
index of low immunity that you can have and the white blood cell count is
going down for the average person. They are getting acquired immune deficiency
— acquired from what? It is acquired from petroleum pollution of our
food and body products. The gasoline industry has inserted itself into the
food industry. Now, it may be entirely unintentional. The chemists who think
they are cleaning up the Vaseline and mineral oil so carefully that there
will be no trace of benzene in it cannot do so because even the best clinical
chemistry that you can do, searching for benzene, is not good enough for
the body. The body cannot have traces, not even ultra traces, of benzene,
but I find it in food after food, product after product all day long and
that is toxic to the body. A build up results. And because benzene has the
property of going to your thymus and bone-marrow you see what will be affected
first — your production of T-cells and your production of white blood
cells — they are produced in the bone-marrow and in the thymus.
So while we may think that we are protected from getting AIDS
and HIV because our lifestyle is not consistent with it so it doesn’t
put us at risk, that is quite untrue. We are not secure at all. We are developing
an immune deficiency. It’s acquired through the use of petroleum-polluted
foods and body products. So one of the purposes I hope to achieve
with the book The Cure for HIV and AIDS is giving people a method
of determining for themselves whether their food and their products have
benzene pollution in them. It’s quite easy to do.
That’s the first thing that any person with HIV disease should do
because that by itself, getting rid of all of the benzene in your life;
your food and your products, is what makes you well and you do get well
when you get rid of the immune problem.
However, you don’t automatically get rid of the parasite
that brings you the virus. These are two diseases. That’s why I call
them HIV and AIDS. The HIV is the virus, which is brought to us by a stage
of a parasite. The AIDS is a condition of your immune system. The two go
together for reasons that are very complicated and that I am working on.
Eventually that will be in an update. But we need to know that getting rid
of benzene will make you well; you will no longer have your immune problem,
your white cell count will come up. We do it all the time.
To get rid of the HIV virus you need to kill the parasite
— do the parasite program given in the book. So the news is all good
for HIV and AIDS patients. They can clear themselves up, they can cure themselves,
but it is with difficulty because you have to avoid those foods and products
that have benzene pollution and there are so many out there. So many that
our young people are used to; all the colored matter that’s out there
in cookies, candies, cakes, and all kinds of other foods that are processed,
have benzene in them. But not natural products — there is no plant
that produces it. You do not come by it naturally. It comes from the petroleum
industry, which gets involved in the food industry because mineral oil is
added to the food. You can use "food lube," which is a kind of
Vaseline on the baking sheets that is legal — which is what you buy
in the grocery store. Yes, you are greasing your baking pans with petroleum
oil. Essentially of course, you are refining it and refining it and refining
it, but fundamentally its Vaseline. Would you do that? No, no cook, no mother,
nobody who takes care of a family would ever do that, but a manufacturer
might. So that is the flaw in our processing and manufacturing that we need
to correct and that’s what will bring about an end to our HIV and
Jan Matthews: So safe sex isn’t necessarily
the answer to the AIDS, HIV problem is it?
Dr. Clark: No, it isn’t. Safe sex is
important in its own way, but that is not what will prevent the whole problem
from progressing to a worse and worse state. We have to get the benzene
out and we have to kill the parasite, but of course, that is of lesser importance
then getting the benzene out of our foods and products.
Jan Matthews: Dr. Clark, since I’ve
come into contact with your book and have had the privilege of trying some
of the recommended treatments in it, it appears that the hundreds of thousands
of these books that you’ve sold have started a grass roots movement
that’s growing rapidly. I no longer completely trust my medical professional
to tell me what’s wrong with me and unfortunately they don’t
normally tell you what’s wrong, they just give you a drug and send
you away. But this grass roots method is growing.
Dr. Clark: Thank you for telling me that
it’s growing. It’s people like you that make it grow. I’m
very grateful for people like you and for others who have taken the lead
now in researching their own illnesses. This is the first time, I think,
in history certainly, where a person has been given the technology to enable
them to inquire into the nature of their own illnesses and that of course
leads to cures. So, I’m especially grateful to people who have gone
to the trouble and expense of learning to use this new technology (Syncrometer).
Fortunately many of them are successful because we hear that on the telephone
everyday; about the cases somewhat like yours that are success cases and
of course that is the basis of a good ground movement, ground breaking movement,
that is bound to grow. Wherever there is truth it is bound to grow
Jan Matthews: The beauty of it is that the
results that you’ve obtained are reproducible and you don’t
have to be a medical professional, a Ph.D. or a scientist in order to implement
these techniques. They’re simple, they’re straightforward and
they’re honest. I challenge the public to get the book, help yourself,
your relatives and your friends. Tell them not to accept that they’re
going to die in six months and that there’s nothing to do but go home
and pick out an undertaker. We don’t need that. What we need is to
give hope and to put these tools into their hands.
Dr. Clark: I have great confidence in the
person, the ordinary person, like you and I that walks the street. They
have the wisdom to understand the need for finding the causes of illnesses
and to do it for themselves. If we can give them a technology, which will
eventually be automated, so that they can be more quick and more precise
with it, I think we will help society the most. That’s the whole idea
— to help society which gave me my chance at an education, and to
do the best we can to leave a good legacy for our children and grandchildren
— to give them hope for the future.
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