http://educate-yourself.org/lte/janefonda25apr05.shtml
April 25, 2005

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Combs <bbear@infinet.com>
To: Editor@educate-yourself.org
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:34 PM
Subject: Jane Fonda

Do you realize that you story about Jane Fonda is a lie and distortion -- http://educate-yourself.org/cn/hanoijane19sep04.shtml

Before you blow up and start raving I am a Vietnam vet and no fan of Jane Fonda, but I am no fan of distortions either.

Check out http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.htm and see how things really happened===

Sorry if you are pissed by this e-mail but I do not care to see things about Vietnam distorted any worse than they were.

Like it says on TV “the truth is out there” and sometimes it is strange

Bill Combs

----- Original Message -----
From: Editor
To: Bill Combs <bbear@infinet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Jane Fonda

Dear Bill "Vietnam Vet' Combs,

1. For starters, it's not MY story; it was written by a USAF Chief Master Sergeant by the name of Ronald D. Sampson. And you, such a stickler for accuracy? Tut, tut..

2. If you were in Vietnam, then tell me EXACTLY where your military installation was located and its name. What is the name of the outfit you were attached to? When were you there? How long were you there? What branch of the military and what was your rank? What was your job? Tell me the name of at least 2 villages, or towns or landmarks that was closest to your base or outpost. Where did you land when you were first sent to Vietnam? What was the name of the main supply port for the US military? If you were there, you would know.

3. Who is the author of the Urban Legend article which you are using for a debunking reference? Do you know? How many other articles have you read at this site? Did it ever occur to you that the web site is itself a disinfo outlet?

4. Your Urban Legend writer says the following up front:

"There's no disputing that Jane Fonda toured North Vietnam, propagandized on behalf of the communists, and participated in an orchestrated "press conference" with American POWs in 1972. There's no denying that she defamed POWs by whitewashing the Viet Cong's treatment of them and later calling them liars when they spoke out. "

Whether Jane Fonda turned in a handwritten note to North Vietnamese guards is not really essential to the story. What was described above by the debunking author himself is a sufficient indictment of Fonda's TREASONOUS conduct and disrespect towards her fellow countrymen who were PRISONERS OF WAR. It's one thing to protest the war from American soil, it's quite another to go to the enemy's country, put on THEIR military uniform (with her stupid safari style helmet on her head) and actively DENOUNCE your own countrymen to reporters and cameras from around the world. That is TREASON in anybody's book! That is, anyone who still possess a brain.

So let's hear the details, the really in depth details, of the time YOU spent in Vietnam. Inquiring minds want to know.

Of course you're no fan of Hanoi Jane! Of course you're a Vietnam vet. Sure, anyone can see that. You have all of the emotional baggage that any Vietnam vet would possess, especially if you got to see all those black body bags building up on the tarmac each morning for the DAILY flight back to the United States. Of course you were there.

You just have this "thing" about not wanting to see Vietnam history 'distorted any worse than they were". Sure, I can understand that. Some people are preoccupied with how many angels can fit on the head of a pin and other people have your need to keep Jane Fonda's record of conduct during the Vietnam War straight. Sure, I can see that.

Waiting to hear of your Vietnam experiences.

Ken Adachi

*****

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Combs <bbear@infinet.com>
To: 'Editor'
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:02 PM
Subject: Questions about you

Mr. Who ever you are
I was station in Phu Bai Vietnam from July 1970 to November 1971 –APO 96308 <I think- been a long time>

#1 Your web site, your story – repeating lies makes you a liar----If you know better that is, accurate tut, tut

#2 Was station at Phu Bai Vietnam from July 1970 to November 1971 –APO 96308 <I think- been a long time>

SP5 in avionics repair namely Doppler navigational system on the OV 1 Mohawks Unit was 131st Avn. Co, sometimes we were 131st MI Co, depends on the time frame—MOS was 35R20H –US Army ---no Idea what the name of any villages were since there was no way off base for us --- about the only city near by was HUE – Only land mark I can remember was the thousands of round graves surrounding the city <as seen from the Air> --Doppler system I worked on was built by Canadian Marconi was on the B and C model Mohawks –might have been on the A model but after the were disarmed they did not get flown much—Not sure where I arrived at, was too drunk < got a fifth of whisky in Alaska and drank it on the way –long trip cut short by booze> Tan Son Nhut if I had to guess – All I can remember is a lot of white sand . To be honest did not give a shit either. As for the main supply port I don’t know, did not know then and, again could not give a shit---Da Nang was the closes to us as far as supplies were concerned. 101st up the road from us –Camp Eagle--

#3 have not a clue who wrote the article on urban legends –www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hanoijane.htm

Or ---http://vikingphoenix.com/public/rongstad/military/JaneFonda/bogus_rebuttal.htm ---or any number of other web sites

Did notice they all give references –and you do not!

The ones I have looked at all refer to the two military POWs “Both Col. Carrigan and Col. Driscoll have denied this account through Captain McGrath and others.” The people involved say it did not happen -----The “ Advisor “ says he was beaten for saying he would tell Jane the truth –not for telling her the truth on even speaking to her --- NVA were just looking for an excuse to beat him some more.

----------- Disinformation is a large subject and are you sure that someone is not using you to spread it? -----------------

Who is Ronald D. Sampson? Have you checked him and his story out or is this a simple case of Jane Fonda is evil so this must be true.

#4 The point of the story is that it is relating something that did not happen -----Not whether Jane Fonda is a traitor for a lot of other reason but whether this specific act occurred as related--- It did not, the people that were there, say it did not.

Can not say that I saw many American body bags –not where I was at –saw a lot of South Viet dead from one operation in -1971–think they were in boxes though – Lets see we had one officer killed by the 101st < short round in to our compound> one officer killed by ejection seat not working—Pilot and TO killed in action < turned wrong way into a mountain pass> several personal went nuts, that was about it –where I was at—one by bad equipment, one by own forces, two by their own mistake { my equipment had the proper location-they turned the wrong direction>

I was there, were you? Most of the super patriot types I have run into, turn out to have been clerks stateside or cooks. Every body wants to be a vet these days but where were they when I went? I would have cheerfully given anyone of the want-a-bee

Vets my spot.

Yep just do not like lies or distortions –saw more than enough of them in my life time-

By the way know what the H in my MOS means? And how many people had that MOS?

Am surprised that you took the trouble to send a reply to me---there might be hope for you –most likely like me, you would argue with a fence post ---Look around –Fonda did not do this one –it is disinformation that makes you and the rest of us look bad.

Well :;were you a stateside cook or clerk? I have been to a few POW-WOWs where the head vet turned out to be not even a vet but had good story –there is also the very special class of vets that just did not make it past basic training. Bed wetting most likely.

Your truly

Bill Combs RA 56741019 I think- been a long time could be off or transposed

Explain you self if you can—

2. If you were in Vietnam, then tell me EXACTLY where your military installation was located and its name. What is the name of the outfit you were attached to? When were you there? How long were you there? What branch of the military and what was your rank? What was your job? Tell me the name of at least 2 villages, or towns or landmarks that was closest to your base or outpost. Where did you land when you were first sent to Vietnam? What was the name of the main supply port for the US military? If you were there, you would know.

Can you answer some of these your self ---name the motion picture photographer that took the first OFFICAL film of out first official incursion into Cambodia < and the reason he was the only one to be filming >we were in the same barracks while at AIT at FT. Monmouth – also met while in country and he told me the story ---don’t bother I cant remember his name –he was from Delaware and introduced me to George Thourgood’s music

What was the only fixed wing Army aircraft to shoot down a MIG fighter in air to air combat? And why was it hushed up?

You must have washed a lot of pans to be so bitter. Snicker –your probing questions indicate an anal retentive personality with a possible clerk type back ground ---thinking you can check me out by my answers indicates a possible background-but most likely you will run down to the VA clinic to ask some of the real vets ---the disinformation statement is paranoid—the question is not whether you are paranoid but rather whether you are paranoid enough.

When you get done frothing –Laugh and pull that lie off you web site for your souls sake. At least put up a disclaimer.

*****

----- Original Message -----
From: Editor
To: Bill Combs <bbear@infinet.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: Questions about you

Up yours Bill.

OK, I'll accept you were there, but your statements about Fonda, whether she did this or that don't amount to a hill of beans. If you can't see the over riding significance of her treasonous conduct, then you're a twit. Of course the Army had a reputation for being top heavy with twits, so I can understand your leanings in that direction.

I wouldn't post a story that I knew to be untrue, but I'm not going to assume liability for every statement made by every author of every article posted on my web site. That's absurd. It's someone's opinion and their assessment Take it or leave it. You haven't established proof of anything concerning Sampson's story one way or the other except to point to a debunking article, author unknown, posted at a web site called urban legends something-with references. Big deal. The article is staying put on my web site right where it is. You haven't convinced me of anything so why should I put up a disclaimer- to satisfy you?

You're spewing at the mouth and accomplishing what? I already told you that Sampson wrote the article, not me. Ask him for his references. I wouldn't take the time to nail down this one insignificant aspect of the Fonda in North Vietnam story because it's not germane to the issue of her treason. It's not important to me. The fact that you're making a big deal about it is also not important to me. The fact that Jane Fonda betrayed her fellow countrymen by going to North Vietnam and playing to the communists by denouncing America and the American prisoners held captive there is the issue that is important to me and is the reason I endorse the term "Hanoi Jane". She's a traitor and deserves to be remembered for her treasonous conduct. Her tepid, half hearted semi-fudging 'apology' some years ago didn't quite cut it for me. If she wants to be absolved of guilt, she'll first have to own up to the treasonous reality of her actions.

Having been in Vietnam or not is not something I that I'm going to reveal to an insulting big mouth like you in any case. You can take all the cheap shots you want. Your opinions don't impress me on any level, anyway, so who cares whether you know if I was in Vietnam? It's more fun keeping you in the dark anyway.

In the future, send your kudos and concerns to Jane and Ted because I'm not really interested in reading your drivel.

Saionara, Ken

PS. The main supply port you couldn't name, perhaps due to your penchant for whiskey, had the initials CRB.

PS #2: Speaking of repeating things, aren't the first and third sentences of your response letter saying the same thing? (rhetorical question, no answer required)
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