[Editor's Note: This 1991 interview took place in Yelm, Washington between Al Bielek and unnamed reporters working for The Sovereign Scribe of McKenna, Washington. Al recounts how he and his brother Duncan were transported by a Time Tunnel machine located at Montauk, Long Island into the interior of an underground facility on Mars in the late 70's. The United States, possibly Russia, and certain aliens already had bases established on the surface of Mars in 1969 in keeping with the provisions of an agreement between the aliens and the US called Alternative 3. The US personnel on the ground, however, couldn't gain access to these interior Martian facilities because they lacked the heavy equipment needed to force an entry. Possessing advanced computers and exact positioning coordinates for Mars, the Time-Space tunnel machine set up at Montauk could place Al and his brother at any location on or inside the planet to within a few inches of computer coordinates. Al and Duncan made a number of "authorized" trips to Mars with the Time Tunnel and two "unauthorized" trips on their own in which they were later discovered and taken off the Mars tunnel project ...Ken Adachi]
By Al Bielek
Al Bielek, noted lecturer on the famous "Philadelphia Experiment" and
the time travel/mind control
experiments of the "Montauk Project," recently spoke with The Scribe interview team in Yelm.
Bielek gave an update on the current use of mind control and psychic warfare, and also offered a more
detailed account of his experience in the Montauk Project. Montauk, also known as the Phoenix
Project, used Bielek and his brother Duncan Cameron, to explore the underground cities of Mars.
SS: Regarding your experience on Mars you walked through the time
tunnel, you take a step and
you're on Mars: What did you see?
AB: Well I was not on the surface of Mars. We were in the underground.
The story goes back to the
Alternative 3 book, the TV production in England outlining the fact that we have Mars bases, one or
more, Provided by a joint operation with the US. government. I do not know if the Russians are in on it
- and aliens. They are on the surface bases It's a World Government operation really, that's not strictly
the United States government.
After they were on the surface which was about 1969, they found that there
where entrances to the
underground sealed and they knew there was something down there. The rumors were that there was
probably artifacts from an ancient civilization buried underground because there were a lot of remains
above ground, ruined cities that have been there by NASA's estimates maybe 300,000 years, 250,000
years. But they found the entrances all blocked, all scaled off to any underground areas. So the word
went back through communications (in the late 70's) to whomever back to the Montauk and Phoenix
project, "Can you do anything about this for us? We can't get into the underground of Mars." They
said, "Yes, I think we can. Give us some coordinates on the surface of the planet. We'll have to run
astronomical computation." Which they did and plugged these all into the computer. They wanted two
people to go and it happened to be Duncan and myself.
SS: Why two?
AB: To corroborate what the other one saw and also in case there
was any problems in the
underground. They didn't really know what was down there.
So they sent us and we went up there in the underground. [Using the Montauk
device, developed as a result of the Philadelphia Experiment. (See Scribe issues 9,13 and 14.)] There
was a problem with light. We had to take lighting with us at the time. Lateron, if I remember, we found
some of their light sources and turned those on. We found eventually that the last remnants of the
Martians, if you wish to call them that, died in the underground between 10 and 20,000 years ago by
estimate, and they left everything they had of their civilization underground. We found enormous
amounts of statuary which appeared to be religious.
SS: What did they look like? How big were they?
AB: Typically 6,7,8 foot tall, stone, gems embedded in them and so forth.
SS. These were of human-like people?
AB: Yes. They were quite well preserved. Then we found archives.
We found a lot of scientific
equipment. We found electronic equipment down there; tons and tons of stuff. And the rumor was also
later that ... I didn't recall until Duncan reminded me of it about a week ago. he said, "Don't forget the
17,000 metric tons of Martian gold they took out. According to his recollection of it, it was very
strange gold. It was 5 times denser than ours. It was worth an unbelievable fortune. Where it went we
have no idea, but it was returned to Montauk and from there it went somewhere. There were several
authorized trips. And Duncan and I got the bright idea since everything was in the computer let's take a
trip or two on our own and do our own exploring. So we did. After the second one it was found out
and we were stopped. That was when he got into the archives and found enormous records of the
civilization which was buried down there.
SS: What did you find out?
AB: He as the one that read them. I couldn't read them.
SS. He didn't tell you?
AB: No. Well he did at the time but I can't remember any of it now.
It's a very strange memory. On
again, off again, and that part of it was never made clear to me as to what he really found. Right after
that we were removed.
But I do remember some of the other installations we saw down there. They
had very odd, large
generators of some type. If you did not see it, I recommend that you go see the movie Total Recall. In
fact it was seeing that movie that reminded me of the fact that I had been there. Not the colonies but
the shots of the underground where they showed these large, round canisters where the director said
these were probably for oxygen generation. I'm not quite sure but we think so. I looked at them and
said, "They're not round. They're hexagonal." And I asked myself, "how the hell did I know that?" So
that was our view of Mars from the underground. We didn't see hardly a thing of it from the surface.
SS: Did you see ice under the surface like in Total Recall?
AB: Ice? No.
SS: If I remember the Movie, that's what they melted a lot of ice to create the atmosphere.
AB: It was not ice under there. There were oxygen generators and
they also had some storage. There
was a generating system which apparently the ancients had left. I don't really know much about it. but it
was activated before they moved the surface colonies in. They also melted down the polar caps. The
rumors are that they used a hydrogen bomb or two for that. I don't know if that's true. But they did
melt down a lot of the polar ice so they would have some water. It's still sparse but they have it. The
atmosphere is thin but they have atmosphere. And the temperature is warm enough. In the equatorial
region they have no problem surviving. It runs about 50o and of course the astronomers have known
this for about 50 years or more. It's quite livable in terms of temperature.
SS: The lighting that you mentioned. What was that like?
AB: Unknown form of illumination, after we found out how to turn
it on. Some of the power generators
are still working. After we turned on the underground lighting we had no lack of light. Otherwise we
had to carry our own and portable lighting was not all that effective because we were dealing with
larger underground chambers, several hundred feet across high ceiling and portable lights are not very
good for a large chamber like that. Eventually we found where they had their own lighting. It was very
SS: Have you any information on the face on Mars?
AB: Not that I remember in the underground. There's more than one
face on Mars, by the way. They
found several. But I remember the NASA announcements some years ago, about 2 years ago that
they're receiving a low frequency radio transmission from Mars. It was about 50 kilohertz, if I
remember correctly. Quite a low level indicating the equipment or whatever it was that was generating
the RF signal, and it was coded, was quite old and probably nearly worn out, so they were amazed
there was anything still coming out of it but it was enough of a signal that they could pick it up and put it
through the computer and transcribe it. It was a warning. A warning message to humans not to repeat
the mistakes they made.
SS: Do you have any feelings about being on Mars? What were your general impressions?
AB: We were digging in there remains of an old civilization that preceded
ours and it felt very peculiar.
To look at what was left at what was once a great civilization and realize that they literally died there
and left everything behind and that eventually the thing shutdown. It was in the underground deliberately
apparently was survival because the circle cities had long since been destroyed and they lived down
there and stayed there.
From what I understand of it, a number of the Martians survived whatever
the attack was on the
surface eventually took off for Earth and others decided to stay behind on Mars in the underground.
And quite literally their progeny eventually died out and the whole race that was left behind on Mars
died out. It's rather a strange feeling to realize that the remnants of a race died out in the underground
totally. They just left all their hardware behind.
SS: In Rod Steiger's book he spoke of March 18th, 1990, as being
important dates in the history of
the PSI-Corps. That's during those dates their equipment was zapped and all the psychics resigned
March 20th. Could you explain all this?
AB: Well, basically what had happened was a very strange story. In
January 1990 Psi-Corps received
some new hardware because NSA has been working on this for years; psionic-type hardware that
boosts the mind and its capabilities of people who already have a great deal of capability it becomes
They found themselves, after that infusion of new equipment, after learning
how to use it, with the
capability of locating a picture buried in someone's files anywhere or tracking a missing file or missing
information that they had instructions to recover or locate. They didn't do the recovery they merely
located it. And how we found out about this was a very interesting story.
Back in November of 1989, Duncan had told me, he said that I would have
the proof of the
Philadelphia Experiment in my hands during March of 1990. Well it seems like during that weekend,
that particular Sunday, preceding the walk out, I was in Phoenix. I was out for lunch that Sunday and a
phone message was waiting for me that Preston had called and he was in a panic. When I finally got
him on the phone it was already too late. But he told me that a person had visited him.
You see his father had been a senior scientist in the Navy working on the
Philadelphia project. And
that before the scientist died he told his son what had happened; that he had certain files and that he
was turning them over to his son but he advised his son not to ever tell anyone about it. So this guy,
unidentified to me never fold anyone about what he had.
One week prior to the visitation with Preston he gets a knock on his door.
Government agents. "We
want to search your house." "Well what for?" "Get out of our way." And they start tearing his house
apart. He knew what they were looking for. He didn't have it there, but he said, "I don't know what
you're looking for." And they didn't find it. It took several days. And he shook them. And he went and
got his stash of files which contained two roles of film of Rainbow 3 and Rainbow 4 which were the
two Eldridge tests plus a stack of papers, still highly classified, apparently, from what Preston said,
because they wound up in Preston's hands.
So he started calling his friends to see who could take cafe of this and
take it off of his hands because
the government agents were right behind him about two hours right behind him trailing him. None of his
friends would touch it, those that he got through to. And he finally got to the end of a long list of people
and Preston Nichols was at the bottom of the list. He called Preston and he was home. He said, "I'm
coming over to give you something." "Well what's this all about?" "I'll be there at such and such a time."
He goes over and hands him the file and the film and tells him the story
about his father and the
government agents and so forth. Preston says, "Well what am I going to do with it?" He says, "I don't
know. It's your problem now. The government agents are about two hours behind me." He takes
Preston out and shows him his car with bullet holes in the door and he says, "I'm getting out of here."
And he left.
Preston in a panic tried to get a hold of anybody he knew that day, including
myself, I was not
reachable. Duncan, previous in that morning, got wind of something, due to his psychic sensitivity,
something very heavy coming down. lie took off from Preston's, went home, went into his bedroom,
locked the door and crawled under the bedsheets until about 5:00 that afternoon. This is a fact. He
panicked. He would not even answer the phone. He shut off his answering machine.
So this comes down. Preston can't get a hold of me. Finally when he did
get through (I called him) he
said, "Well I called up NSA and told them I had some very hot material here that I don't want." They
asked " What is it?" And he told them. They said, "Well we don't want it." He says "I've got to get rid
of this stuff it's black card clearance level: So he said, "Allright we'll send some F.B.I. agents to pick it
up. So they eventually arrived and he turned it over the them after verifying that they were F.B.I. He
got rid of the whole business. Then I called after that, and I still haven't forgiven him for it. But the
interesting connection to get back to your question about the Psi-Corps, is that we finally put together
the fact that with the new equipment they were able to identify a photograph if it's in somebody's file
and apparently they have standing orders to find any information whatever dealing with the Philadelphia
Experiment and make damn sure I didn't get it. And they spotted something and found out who this guy
was and they sent out the government agents and this whole story ensued about this man who's father
was the senior scientist. And we don't know what happened to it. We never saw it again.
In any case, the next day, from information I had, there was a big rumble
in the Psi-Corps, and they
were warned by somebody on the outside who was a little friendly to us to get the blazes out of there,
that all of your installations are going to be melted down, literally. And they were warned to get out. All
of them walked out except ten who were brand new recruits who had been told to defend the
machines with their lives and they did literally. They died, the rest walked out, out of the government's
service and disappeared. There was a panic meeting with the President...
SS: Who melted the equipment down?
AB: Alien there's none ... let us put it this way - extra terrestrials.
SS: Do you know who they are?
AB: Yes, but I will not say.
SS: Are these the same ET's that Preston said melted down the buzzsaw
antenna at McArthur airport
around the Thanksgiving weekend last year?
AB: Yes, basically. And they took care of four sites in the US.
one at Fort Meade and there were
three other locations. I believe one was Atlanta and another in the New Orleans area and one
somewhere in the West. Everyone of them walked out and disappeared. The locations were melted
down. The President had a panic, practically apoplexy, tried to call back the old director who was in
retirement. He said it was an emergency, we need to talk with you. So he came down to talk with
them. I'll only give this man's first name - it's Emil. He was already 90 in age. And they told him the
problem. He said, "I'll look at it but I won't give you my answer for about 3 days. I'll tell you then
whether or not I'll come back and reorganize this, whole operation for you."
In the meantime they contacted NASA to try to get NASA to give up their
psychic agents, not
Psi-Corps, who are trained for a different mission and are not trained in pairs but individually. NASA
told them to go shave it and got away with it. They said, "We're not trained to do the work you're
doing. You can't have our people. "So finally on that following Friday, Emil came back to the President
and said, "My answer is no. There's no way I'll come back and do anything for you. You're in deep
trouble as it is and you're going to be in a lot deeper trouble in about 30 days." And he packed up and
left. And I presume that that was the last we've seen of him at least in those quarters.
But the Psi-Corps remained dissolved until ... they tried to recruit new
people and they did pick up a
few but nothing like what they had before because it takes 4 years now to train them, it used to be 5.
SS: So they're building it is back up again?
AB: They've been trying to build it back up. Then before the beginning
of the so-called Mid-East War
with Iraq, they made a deal as part of the situation building up to the declaration of war wherein we got
all of the backing from British European nations with the exception of Germany, they went to them as
part of the deal and asked the British and French and Russian Governments, who all had their own
Psi-Corps, if they would loan again numbers to the U.S. Government for their operations. And they
did. They got transfers and built up the whole organization to the original strength overnight.
Now they had a little bit of a shock because the new group tried to bring
somebody back into their
group to run the operation, Emil, and from what I understand, he was spirited out from right out of the
midst of them, again by E.T.'s, and they were told this could never happen under any circumstances,
that they were ultra-secure in their facilities. That shook them up. They all walked out. They are now at
SS: So they waked out a second time?
AB: That's right. That's the information I have. And the government
is left holding the bag once more.
And as far as I'm concerned they Can continue to hold the bag - empty.
Psi-Corps organization is not vicious, they are not vicious people, they're
very well trained, sensitives
and psychics who have a mission. The basic mission has been, in more recent years, not the original
one in the first 5-10 years, where they were used for assassination. But they finally drew the line on this
when NSA was formed and they became part of NSA in 1949-50 because their original genesis was
in 1940 under Harry Bennett under the Roosevelt administration. But they said, "We will not do
assassination any more because you have other organizations and intelligence groups that can do this
much better than we can so we refuse to do it." But everything else they would still do and that was
basically: psychic espionage in this country, outside this country and anywhere on this planet; obtaining
information about anything that the government wanted to know that was not obtainable through the
normal intelligence channels; or say too many agents got killed or something; let us say they wanted to
look at the inside of some super secret Russian or Chinese installation or whatever it may be. The
psychics could look inside of it and see what they want. They could read books off their desks, reports
off a desk, filch them out of a file.
SS: They could dematerialize them?
AB: Yes they could. They could start a fire in a filing cabinet a couple
thousand miles away if they
wanted to do that or if were so instructed.
SS: They could plant disinformation also?
AB: Theoretically they could. They could transport small objects.
They had their psycho-kinetic ability
well trained. It was not that they could move large objects, they couldn't. But small objects like a piece
of paper or a small package of paper like a report they could handle. They had a lot of capability.
They were also very heavily brainwashed and very heavily let us say, indoctrinated
in the government's
service and what they were to do and indoctrinated to the point that they totally accepted the protocols
under which they operated. And this of course meant that they were loyal to the service, to the
government. The only mores and ethics they knew was what the government told them they had and
this was implanted. impregnated, conditioned into them to the point where there's hardly an change.
I've only known of two people, I will not go into this in detail, who decided to walk out and succeeded
in doing so. But when they surfaced it started the largest manhunt in the history of this country to find
those two and bring them back into the government's service.
Preston saw the police reports, the F.B.I. file reports because the police
can came into one of the
swap meets, drove right up the aisles where there's not supposed to be any car, virtually pushed
people out of the way, stopped right at Preston's exhibit and said, "You're friends with
____________." Preston says "What are you talking about?" "You know what we mean." And
Preston looked down on the police car's front seat and there was the F.B.I. dossier and the picture of
the individual and the names of both of them they wanted, and if any information is obtained about the
whereabouts of these two, I'll not give the names, report immediately to the F.B.I. office in
Philadelphia, Pa. They never did catch them. They were much too smart. They knew what they were
They also stole a few pieces of government hardware in the process including
... I might as well say it...
the government has alternate reality generators, the portable type a person could carry in a small
suitcase and they can ship themselves and that suitcase with them into an alternate reality and they
cannot be traced. They cannot be found.
SS: Kind of park themselves in another...
AB: Park themselves in another universe, so to speak, parallel to our
own, very similar to ours as I've
gone into in my lectures, the parallel reality thing. The government has the hardware for this, portable.
They've had it for years. I don't know how long. And they had it and used it to keep out of sight and
they would every so often look in on what was going on and find out the police were there and they'd
say, "Well, they can stay there, we'll stay here. "The final outcome was these two people whom I knew
from years before under circumstances I won't go into or it might identify them, eventually hitched a
ride off planet and took a shuttle. There are shuttles regularly from this planet to Alpha Centauri 4
which by agreement is a safe haven for people wanted by the U.S. Government. There's a treaty. It
takes about 12 hours to get them. Apparently they took all of their family which meant sisters, brothers,
father, mother, whatever, with them. As far as I know they're still there.
SS: Who runs the shuttle?
AB: Presumably the Alpha Centauri Government, but I don't know.
But it's on a regular basis twice a
week. The landing point I have no idea where it is. Of course they guard it secret.
SS: What is their body form like?
AB: Alpha Centauri? Like humans, exactly the same. There's a much
lower population on their planet.
They're not overpopulated. They're an advanced civilization, a little ahead of us - not a great deal, but
somewhat ahead of us. They don't like things like government headbashing and that sort of thing and
they way they treat some of the government agents they no longer have any use for or whatever, if they
are approached, and I don't know how it's done, if they are approached and asked for asylum, if they
issue the card, you just get on the shuttle and that's it, you're there. Beyond that I don't know. I haven't
seen them since.
That's a very interesting little side issue and our government doesn't
like it particularly but there is sonic
kind of a treaty and they honor it. Apparently there is that type of treaty with other governments
elsewhere, and I gather it is all Earth governments or includes outside governments I'm not sure. I have
the feeling it includes outside governments too. There's regular communication, I don't know if Preston
went into this about the Super Luminary Communication Systems that were developed by ITT in the
1960's. It's another one of those little developments that come out of all of this business evolving from
the Philadelphia Experiment and the spin-offs from that and research done by ITT because they were
involved in the background of that program to some extent. They were very involved and were the
principle contractor for the Phoenix Project, but they also had a lot of other little games also. One of
them was building a whole new communication system. This was research based on higher order
energies and the effects and the propagation rates and studied all this and found out. "This is all very
interesting. With a sixth order energy we can develop a communication system with a propagation rate
C6, that's C to the 6th power. They now have one C8, C to the 8th power.
SS: C being the speed of light?
AB: C is the speed of light, to the 8th power. That's so fast they
can literally communicate clear across
our galaxy with nothing more than a phase shifter. There is essentially no delay. With the C' system
there was a delay so they went to the 8th. 50,000 light-years across our galaxy and they can do it in a
fraction of a second.
So Einstein was wrong in one sense. Nothing can go faster than the speed
of light? It can. It's long
since been done. It was probably done long since he made the statement. Einstein did relent of some of
his statements in earlier years before he died but it was not publicly stated that he had.
SS: Speaking of aliens and technology, do you know which aliens Tesla talked to?
AB: The Pleiadians basically that was one of his principle communication
groups. Also a group called
the K group. K stands for Kondrashkin. That's the best literal translation of English. They were sort of
light green skinned humanoid like with no hair. If you put them up in the right garb and bleached their
skin and put an old fashioned wig on them they'd pass very readily for an Englishman. Not that I'm
trying to cast any kind of aspersions on English people but they most readily pass for English. And the
dye or powder or whatever they put on their skin didn't last more than two weeks. Then there were 2
others and I don't know who they were. When you start calling out into space you don't know who is
going to answer. And they did. Tesla knew 11 or 12 languages and I presume these people
communicated back in English but I don't know that for certain. I wasn't there I only heard the stories
from 2 other researchers who had worked with him before he died. I'm told of the equipment and the
fact that he did communicate on an almost daily basis with somebody from the outside.
SS: You mentioned Reichian Programming in your lectures. How would one know if one was hit by it?
AB: You wouldn't after it was over. They pulled this system on
Duncan once for certain maybe more
than once and we have a friend back east who worked in a hospital who's seen the equipment, know
what it does and what it's capable of. Preston's checked into the records and found that this particular
type of advanced technology, electroshock therapy equipment is what they officially call it. It's now
very advanced computerized with floppy disks and very small electrodes instead of the old big patch
pads they used to put on people and tape the down. They now have tiny little probes 50 millimeters
square and they attach them to certain critical sensitive points on the body, about 8 of them. And
there's a computer program they now use which will induce the Reichian orgiastic state by electronics
and hold it to that state and in that condition a human mind from conscious to subconscious is
completely aligned and opened.
Consequently you can remove buried information in the subconscious, reprogram
the person, do
whatever you want in that sense. And when the program is over they close it down, restore the person
to the so-called normal state with either blocks on memory of the whole thing happening or a whole
total implant of what went on that day as a substitute to memory or whatever they want to do. They
usually put in a substitute memory. It's happened to Duncan once. We had quite a time running that
down but we did.
They can do this to anyone they want. They grab them physically and take
them off to one of the
hospitals. The law is that any hospital or institution in the U.S. that accepts federal funding must by law
have one of these machines on their premises and there must be certain personnel, very limited, trained
in its use. Now it can be used for "nominal" electroshock therapy in the normal mode which doctors
use, thought it's much more sophisticated now and less damaging. Or they can use it for
reprogramming, the same piece of equipment. But to do the reprogramming requires a special floppy
disk, which is kept under lock and key and can only be used by certain government personnel.
When they do this number of the reprogramming it's done by government personnel.
It is not normally
shown [in] their records and there is never a charge made back to a hospital organization or to a
hospitalization fund or medical fund of any kind, that is paid for 100% by the federal government and
the record's swept under the rug. They put it once on Duncan and they tried to do it again.
SS: They physically snatched him?
AB: Oh yes. We had quite a time tracking this down that one Sunday.
But they did do that. It's based
on Reich's principle, his old theories. The original programming techniques were more physical, but
now they can do it electronically. It's much cleaner, so to speak, much easier to accomplish and much
easier to cover the tracks. And the law says these instruments, pieces of equipment, shall be made
available to non-federally funded institutions. They recommend that they have them, but there's no
SS: Before going on, how do you feel about all this? Do you
want to get revenge on these guys?
Where do you stand personally on this?
AB: I would love to get back at some of ... Well, where do I stand?
Number one, I feel it's long since
time that the public knows the facts about how their government has lied to them practically about
everything from politics to science to cover-up of secret projects and the abductions of people by the
government, I'm not talking about aliens, by the government for reprogramming - plugging them into
special projects against their will. Then when they're done with them they either return them to normal
life or deep sixing them in many cases.
SS: You sound angry. Are you?
AB: Oh yeah. I'm very angry about it because they wrecked my life,
they wrecked Duncan's life, they
wrecked the lives of a number of other people who I knew who were on that project, the original
Philadelphia Project. They didn't wreck so many lives from the Phoenix Project in terms of breaking
family relations and all this sort of thing. But they did eliminate a number of people who were involved
in the Phoenix Project. They were literally killed, some accidentally, some deliberate and otherwise
reprogrammed and shipped off to God knows where. And a lot of them were shipped off to another
time frame so they never were returned to their original point of origin and live their life out wherever
they are, under what conditions who knows.
The massive redistribution, if you want to put it that way, of people,
reprogramming them is something
which is totally alien to our Constitution and our concepts, not only our religious concepts of freedom,
hut our political concepts of freedom as we have known it under the Constitution for almost 200 years.
The Constitution has existed longer, but I say almost 200 years because these government programs
have come into play since about 1947 and they get worse every year and they're not restricted to the
U.S. But the U.S. seems to be the most vicious in it, by far the most vicious. The suppression of men
and the control of the mass media is by far the worst in the U.S. It's much worse than in Russia. There's
more freedom to speak in Russia than there is in this country. I'm speaking of the last year or two not
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