Transcript: Jim Humble Discusses the Amazing Germ Fighting Ability of Sodium Chlorite and Citric Acid to Kill Pathogens and Neutralize Disease
November 2008, Interview conducted in Germany
Transcript: Jim Humble Discusses the Amazing Germ Fighting Ability of Sodium chlorite and Citric acid to Kill Pathogens and Neutralize Disease (May 22, 2011 posting)
Transcript of Jim Humble Interview with Bill Ryan Discussing the Amazing Germ Fighting Capacity of Sodium Chlorite combined with Citric Acid to Destroy a Wide Array of Bacteria, Viruses, Fungus, Molds, & Parasites
Jim Humble and the Story behind MMS : Miracle Mineral Supplement
Sasbachwalden, Germany, November 2008
German transcript (auf Deutsch lesen)
[Interview between Bill Ryan and Jim Humble]
Jim Humble: ...I did things like set up A-bomb tests. I worked on Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles. I was able to wire the first computer-controlled machine in the United States at Hughes Aircraft Company.
... So they called me in and had me repair the Lunar Vehicle. [laughs] And so, did they go to the Moon or didn’t they? [laughs] I don’t know whether they took it to the Moon or they took it out to the mountains in the desert.
... He was going through the files one time and he come upon this photograph, 8 x 10 photograph, that showed a space station on the back side of the Moon.
... I figured: They didn’t get all that gold out there. I can just go out and get a bunch of it myself. You know. And so I started in mining and I found out that pretty much that they did get all that gold out there after all.
... I developed new techniques for gold recovery.
... When you have a billion dollars invested in a particular process, it isn’t likely you’re just going to change, you know. It’s not something that they usually do.
... And these guys were really sick, and so I asked them if they would like to try to my water purification drops that I had brought along with me. And in four hours they were up, laughing about how bad they were feeling just a little while before.
... Normally speaking, a person who’s given MMS will be well from malaria in four hours. I’ve treated 2,000 people personally, and the people I’ve trained have treated over 100,000 people.
Bill Ryan: Are you allowed to say here on camera that MMS will cure cancer?
Jim Humble: Sure. [laughs] I can say it. MMS will cure cancer.
Start of interview
Bill Ryan: So, this is Bill Ryan from Project Camelot and this is Friday, the 21st of November  and I am delighted to meet Jim Humble. Jim!
Jim Humble: It’s my pleasure.
BR: It’s wonderful to meet a man who’s got good taste in headgear. [laughter] And we’re here in southern Germany at Sasbachwalden, at a conference where Jim is speaking in a few hours’ time. And you’ve flown in from Mexico, I believe?
BR: A few days ago.
BR: Now, Jim, it’s very clear that you’ve had an extraordinary life. What’s your background? What was it that brought you to the point when you were in Guyana? You were prospecting? Was it for gold?
JH:Prospecting for gold. Yeah.
BR: So, take us through the fast-forward of your life, and your training, and how come you got to that point in Guyana.
JH:Well, I started, sort of, in the aerospace industries and... I started as a technician in the aerospace industry. And I just, as things worked out, I became a non-degreed engineer, as a research engineer in aerospace. And I did things like set up A-bomb tests and I...
BR: Atomic bomb tests?
JH: Atomic bomb tests. And I worked on Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles and I worked on power generation from plasma. Yeah, I just happened that I was in the right place at the right time. And back in those days... and I was able to wire the first computer-controlled machine in the United States at Hughes Aircraft Company.
You know, for a number of years there, I sort of lucked out and worked on the edge of science on a number of different projects. And I had a lot of fun [laughs] working on it, on the various different projects. And so...
But, you know, the Cold War come to an end, and the aerospace industry sort of come to an end, and so I went into mining. And I got interested in mining -- gold mining, of course, because I was thinking that I could make a lot of money in gold mining. I was like a lot of guys. I figured: They didn’t get all that gold out there. I can just go out and get a bunch of it myself. You know.
And so I started off in mining and I found out that pretty much that they did get all that gold out there after all. And so, it...
But in the process of being in mining, I started working with the various different mining techniques. And I wrote five books on mining recovery, mainly on the recovery of gold, different ways of leaching.
And I wrote ways of not using mercury. A lot of mining was using mercury up to that time, and I wrote a book on how to use mercury safely. And then I wrote a book on how you didn’t need mercury after all. [laughs] And so I just sort of got into...
And I developed new techniques for gold recovery. And I could go into the jungle and recover gold that they had missed before because I could recover the very, very fine particles of gold with my particular technique. It uses nothing but water and it makes no harsh impact on the environment because there’s no chemicals. And it will... not only that, but it does a better job and a lot cheaper job than the chemical operations that they have now.
But those people who are using the chemical operations, they don’t particularly care to talk about it. So it’s not something that is easy to sell. It’s just like a lot of things. They don’t want to change, you know. People are doing something and they don’t want to change the way they’re doing it.
BR: So your second career actually has got a lot of interesting parallels with your third career, that the vested interests want to keep on using the more toxic and ineffective approach.
JH:That’s correct. There is a lot of parallels there and there’s... It would be a real good thing for the mining industry to use the process. It’s much cheaper, easier to set up. But when you have a billion dollars invested in a particular process, it isn’t likely you’re just gonna change, you know. It’s not something that they usually do. And so I don’t worry about it too much.
BR: In your first career, which you had back in aerospace, didn’t you have something to do with the Lunar Module? Or the Lunar Lander, was it?
JH:I was working at the General Motors Defense Research Laboratories in Santa Barbara at the time. And they had taken the Lunar Vehicle up there to get it ready to be loaded on the ship going to the Moon, of course. And there was some parts inside of it that was broken. And I don’t know, minor, tiny accident, but there was a few wires that were broken and everything. And I happened to be an electronic technician, and they knew I was, so they called me in and had me repair the Lunar Vehicle. [laughter]
And so, I just got to work on it. And it was kind of interesting, what they were doing. And did they go to the Moon or didn’t they? I don’t know [laughs] whether they took it to the Moon or they took it out to the mountains in the desert. But I assume that they took it to the Moon.
BR: We actually heard from one of our whistleblowers that both of the stories were correct, that some of the missions went to the Moon, some did not. Some of the photographs were real and some were not. It’s a real mixed bag.
JH:Yeah. Right. I remember that flag, you know, waving. [laughter] So you’re never... of course, there wasn’t any air on the Moon, so the flag really shouldn’t have been waving.
BR: There were all kind of things, cross-hairs behind the image, anomalies. Didn’t you say that you were working in the room with a colleague who saw something interesting at one point?
JH:Well, yes, I did. I had friend who was working at JPL, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which was doing all of the Moon work at that time. And he was a draftsman and he had, well, he had the right to go into the various different secret files to get material out for his drafting, whatever it was that he was doing.
BR: He had the level of clearance.
JH:He had the level of clearance, yeah. And so he was going through the files one time and he come upon this photograph, 8 x 10 photograph, that showed a space station on the back side of the Moon. And it was far enough from the Moon that you could see the station and yet you could see that it was the Moon.
And it was pretty obvious to him that it was not the type of construction that the United States would do. In other words, it wasn’t the type of construction that JPL would do, because he’s familiar with all that. He was designing things along those lines, so he was familiar with what JPL did and didn’t do. And the construction that he saw on the Moon was totally foreign to Earth.
BR: So he said to you: Hey Jim. Look what I’ve just seen. Look what I’ve...
JH:That’s right. He didn’t show it to me. He didn’t bring it out. He just told me. He told me about it, explained it at the time.
BR: That’s a pretty interesting story. Someone should make a movie of your life. [laughter] That would be quite a story. You’ve had several careers in there, haven’t you?
JH:Well, I don’t know how interesting it would be, but it would be very interesting to me. [laughs]
BR: What would be wonderful here... I know there’s an enormous story you told, which you have told before. But for the benefit of people who aren’t familiar with your work, can you give a brief summary, if it’s possible, of your discovery -- if discovery is the right word -- of the Miracle Mineral Supplement known all over the world as MMS, what it does, and how it was that you came to develop this?
JH:Well, I was a gold prospector in South America, and a couple of my men came down with malaria. And so... we were quite a ways out in the jungle and there was no way to get any malaria drugs, and we had not previously believed that there would be any malaria in that area. So we had no malaria drugs.
And I sent a couple of runners off to a local mining operation. But it was going to take them a day to get there and a day to get back, and that’s a long time without a malaria drug when you’re pretty darn sick. And these guys were really sick.
And so I asked them if they would like to try my water purification drops that I had brought along with me. And they said they were willing to try anything.
They were very sick. They had all the symptoms. They were laying in bed and they were... they had a high fever, and they were shivering, and they had pains in their joints. And they had nausea. They were throwing up. They had extreme headache. They were just in bad shape.
And so I give ’em a... I give each one of ’em a glass with quite a few drops of the purification liquid. And in four hours they were up, laughing about how bad they were feeling just a little while before. And they ate dinner that night, normally, and they went to work the next morning.
And the next day a couple more of ’em came down, and the same thing happened. They were treated for malaria in the same way, of course, and they were well.
And after that I traveled through the jungle, and I treated a lot of people in the jungle in South America, which was the country of Guyana. And I became pretty well known in that part of the jungle because I treated a lot of people.
It didn’t always work at that time. I had not done any work with it, and so, sometimes it didn’t work and so... But I still became well known. And finally I went into the city and started treating people in the city. And that wasn’t the thing to do. The government stopped me at that time.
BR: The government in Guyana.
JH:The government in Guyana stopped me because several American drug companies called down there and said, told them, that if they didn’t stop “the guy that was curing malaria” that they were going to stop shipping drugs to the local hospital.
And the reason why I know that is because I had... a friend that I had made when I first got there was the guy that was directly under the president of the country. And he said, he told me, that’s what happened, and they had no choice but they had to make me stop because they couldn’t afford to have their hospital not have drugs. And so that was the situation.
BR: Mm hm.
JH:Anyhow, I went back to the United States and I started working on it, trying to figure out what was in it that caused the malaria to be cured. And I finally realized... What I was using was a solution that is being sold in all the health food stores and had been on the shelves of health food stores for like 75 years in the United States. And it’s called stabilized oxygen.
And so, that’s what I was using -- stabilized oxygen. And I started working with it. And I sent it over to friends that I made in Africa, and they were trying it out on people who had malaria over there and telling me by email how it was working. And so they cured a lot of people.
And in the process, I was working out ways of making it work better and better. So we finally got to the point where it was curing everybody that they treated. There wasn’t any failures. And so, at that point, I didn’t figure that it needed to get any better. And so, I have been working with it the same way.
Now, stabilized oxygen has been used, and people have been talking about oxygen, and how wonderful it was to have the oxygen and stabilized oxygen. It’s been in books and on the internet, and so forth.
But the fact is, there is no useful oxygen in stabilized oxygen. It’s chlorine dioxide is what is available in stabilized oxygen, and there is no oxygen that’s available. So, they have been confused all that time. And that might be one of the reasons why it never got really developed into a... to the point that it would really cure everything that it treated.
However, that was the basics of the development of Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st century.
BR: And it was... Basically what you did then, was you figured out a more powerful delivery mechanism of the chlorine dioxide that the stabilized oxygen was delivering in the first place.
JH:Yeah. It was a simple thing, although it took me about a year to figure it out. But any good chemist would have probably figured it out in the first day. But my chemistry was limited to metallurgy, and so, a lot of chemistry I really didn’t understand. So it took me a while to realize what to do to it.
But the simplicity of it was, you simply add some vinegar or some lemon juice, and the acid in the vinegar or the lemon juice releases the chlorine dioxide. And that is what does the work – chlorine dioxide.
Now, chlorine dioxide is not the same as chlorine. And everybody gets really, really afraid of chlorine dioxide when they hear what it is. But it isn’t the same as chlorine at all. It doesn’t create the chemicals that chlorine creates in the body or in water purification systems.
Chlorine will create, in most any water purification system, several carcinogenic, you know, cancer-causing chemicals. But chlorine dioxide does not.
And it’s... chlorine dioxide is as different chlorine as table salt is different from chlorine. Table salt is sodium chloride, and so, it’s made from chlorine. So it’s quite different from chlorine, and it’s very, very effective in the body.
BR: Now, I know a little bit about oxygen therapies, and hydrogen peroxide in particular. Does it work in a similar way to hydrogen peroxide therapy?
JH:Well, it does work in a similar way, but it works in a... It is a less powerful oxidizer than hydrogen peroxide.
Hydrogen peroxide will oxidize many things that chlorine dioxide will not oxidize, which sort of makes chlorine dioxide an ideal oxidizer for the body. It doesn’t have the power to oxidize the healthy cells of the body, or the beneficial bacteria in the body, or a lot of the tissues of the body.
So, while hydrogen peroxide can oxidize a lot of things, chlorine dioxide oxidizes a very limited number of things. And so, the limit it’s limited to is so ideal. It will only oxidize pathogens. That’s the things that cause disease in your body. It only oxidizes the pathogens. And it won’t oxidize any of the beneficial things in the body.
So you don’t really have to worry about it. There’s no side effects from it. There’s nothing to build up with it. It turns into... after it’s in the body for about 2, 3, 4 hours, it turns into a chloride. Guess what. That’s table salt.
And it turns into such a small amount of chloride that it is not anything that you can worry about. It’s maybe two or three grains of table salt from a dose of chlorine dioxide, and that’s all it is. So it leaves nothing behind to cause any kind of side effects, or nothing to build up, to cause side effects.
BR: OK. Now, for people who’ve heard about MMS but who aren’t scientifically minded, what can you say about what you’re reasonably sure it can do? When you say it kills pathogens, you mean it kills harmful viruses and bacteria?
BR: How does it single those out?
JH:The pathogens... In the body, those things that cause diseases – pathogens - are anaerobic.
Now, most everybody understands that there’s aerobic and anaerobic bacteria in the body. And the anaerobic bacteria, anaerobic microorganisms, are the ones that do the damage -- the anaerobic.
The aerobic are oxygen-using bacteria, and they are much more powerful. They’re much stronger than the disease-causing anaerobic microorganisms. So the anaerobic microorganisms are the guys that cause all the trouble, and they’re the weak organisms. They’re not strong.
Just to give you an example of an idea, most people have been out in the woods, and they’ve seen the fungus growing on the trees. Well, that’s anaerobic. And you can walk up to the tree and knock the fungus off because it’s very weak. It don’t have the power that the trees, which are using the oxygen, have -- they’re strong and healthy. But the fungus is very, very weak.
And it’s the same way in your body. The pathogens that don’t use oxygen are very weak. And so, when you put the chloride dioxide in the body, it’s a weak oxidizer, so it can single out the pathogens. Because it’s a weak oxidizer, it only has enough power to oxidize the pathogens.
Now, one thing about it is, although it’s a much weaker oxidizer than the other oxidizers like ozone and hydrogen peroxide, although it’s much weaker, it has a much greater capacity. It can oxidize a lot more. It’ll oxidize twice as much as ozone, or 2-1/2 times as much as ozone, but it can’t oxidize as many different things as ozone. It can only oxidize a few things, but those few things that it does oxidize, it oxidizes with a great deal of power.
It’s sort of like... Chlorine dioxide is an explosive, not only in large quantities, where it will blow your building apart, but it’s explosive in small quantities. To those things it can oxidize, it’s explosive, and it will do that.
And so, while I’m mentioning that, I will just mention to you that the way it kills a pathogen is, it blows a hole in the skin. Now, the normal antibiotic that you take, that antibiotic has to be built just for the particular pathogen it’s going to kill, because it has to go inside, and it has to make the nucleus quit working properly.
BR: Mm hm.
JH:But chlorine dioxide blows a hole in the side. And, because it blows a hole in the side, there is no possibility of any pathogen ever developing a resistance to chlorine dioxide.
Now, chlorine dioxide kills viruses in a slightly different way. Instead of that method, and instead of going in and trying to kill the nucleus of the virus, it prevents the formation of special virus proteins. And, of course, if the proteins can’t form, in a very short period it results in the death or the destruction of the virus.
So, it kills both bacteria and viruses. It also kills fungus, and several of the other types of pathogens that are in the body as well.
BR: It will kill parasites as well?
JH:And it kills parasites. It kills all kinds of parasites and it kills them fast. Because, for example, malaria is caused by a parasite. And, normally speaking, a person who’s given MMS will be well from malaria in four hours. I mean, the worst disease of mankind is well from malaria in four hours.
And it isn’t like we “think” it works. I’ve treated 2,000 people personally. And the people I’ve trained have treated over 100,000 people. And in that 100,000, normally you’d find 400 people that died. Normally in 100,000 people who get malaria, 400 people would be dead. And there were no deaths reported in that 100,000 at all.
So it really works well with malaria, and that’s parasites. And there are a lot of other parasites that we’ve treated as well.
BR: Even large parasites?
JH:Even large parasites. Even worms.
JH:When we were treating the people in the villages in Africa, ever so often we’d get one kid or a guy and he would cough up a lot of worms, as... you know, as big around as an orange almost. So, it will kill the big ones as well.
BR: So the trials that you’ve done against malaria, where you said you trained somebody or a team who cured 100,000 people, this was in Africa?
JH:In Africa. Yes.
BR: Whereabouts in Africa?
JH:Well, it was both in Kenya and Uganda... some missionary, large missionary, operation in Kenya and Uganda. And then there was guys who I give the material to, MMS to, and they went to Sierra Leone. And then, quite a few people in Tanzania treated. And then, of course, I’ve treated a number of them in Malawi. All of these countries are in Africa, if you don’t recognize them.
BR: And what happens in those countries when word starts to spread that a scourge like malaria is getting handled so easily?
JH:Well, usually a lot of other people come in. But, unfortunately, things happen that sort of slow things down. One thing happened -- there’s a couple of missionaries decided I was evil. And so they told all the missionaries in the area that I was evil, and so that sort of slowed things down. They actually quit using the MMS. And so, many people who wanted to be treated didn’t get treated.
BR: Because you were a threat to the power structure.
JH:Maybe that was it. I don’t know. They just decided. Actually, what happened is, one of the nurses came to me. She had a lot of pain in her hand. And I just put my hand on her hand, and I said: Can you feel my fingers. You know? And she said: Yeah.
And I said: Feel my fingers. And I said it about 3 times.
And she said: Oh, the pain’s going away. I can feel it tingling. You know.
And this missionary come running over and said: Stop that! Stop it. Stop it. And she... I don’t know. She decided that I was evil.
BR: That implies that you’ve actually got healing hands to some degree, do you think?
JH:Well, no, but I developed a technique for healing by touch. I call it Touch Healing. And the basic theory of Touch Healing is that your brain controls all the healing in your body. And so, if you can increase the communication between the brain and the area that’s bad, it will heal faster. And it can heal in minutes sometimes... not always, but it often can.
And... somewhat, a little bit like Reiki, but not really. And the idea is that, as you develop pain in your wrist, the brain don’t like the pain, so it starts turning off the communication. And the worse the pain gets, the least communication. And so now, if you can get that communication going better, the pain will heal faster. It works pretty good. [laughs]
BR: And what response have you had from the orthodox medical establishment? Because the statistics sound pretty impressive.
JH:Well, it depends on where you’re at. In the United States, the medical establishment there is pretty much against MMS.
I had a millionaire who was willing to put up enough money to treat the entire country of Haiti, and so I went there with the idea of doing that. And I tried to communicate with the people there, and I talked to all of the missionaries there. And every one of ’em was connected with a doctor in the United States. And in every case, they called the doctor in the United States, and he says: Don’t have anything to do with it.
So, quite a few of ’em were enthused about doing it, but when their doctor told them not to they didn’t have any... So, the medical establishment in the United States, for the last couple of years, has not been very receptive to it.
But, on the other hand, I’m in Mexico now. And there the doctors have been helping me. A non-profit civil association was formed and a number of doctors have put their names to it. And we’ve started doing clinical trials for AIDS and hepatitis C and cancer. And those trials have been going pretty good.
And we have a guy who’s head of the prison system there. He’s also helping us. So, we’ve had... And the local hospital has agreed to give us 300 blood tests for free. And so, we’ve been out to treat the local Indians in the various tribes near there.
And it’s gone much better in Mexico than it’s gone in the United States, although there’s a lot of bottles of MMS being sold in the United States. There’s at least 15,000 bottles a month being sold in the United States right now.
BR: Are you allowed to say here on camera that MMS will cure cancer?
JH:Sure. [laughs] I can say it. MMS will cure cancer.
BR: OK. That’s a wonderful thing for a lot of people to hear. What statistics have you got on that, realistically, for people who might literally feel they’ve got their lives at stake here? Is there a good chance?
JH:There’s a good chance, in my opinion. You know, I’ve treated a few hundred people in Mexico. Some of ’em were cancer patients. I’ve treated over the telephone, when people call me and I set up treatments for ’em over the telephone, at least 2000 people over the telephone. And I’ve probably treated by email another 4000 people. And I have a lot of stories of people who have been cured of cancer.
I can give you... There was a gal down in Australia who had lung cancer, and the doctor had given her, said: You’re going to die in about 2 weeks. And she, of course, was in bed, and she wasn’t able to get out of bed except they would get her out to go to the bathroom and things like that.
And so, her doctor heard of MMS and brought it to her. He said: You’d just as well take this as not. You’re going to be dead soon anyway. You know.
And she said: Of course, she was willing to take it, what the hell? And in 11 days she was up walking around. And in 15 days, she got in her car and drove it down to the lake and walked around a small lake. And before the month was out, she was back teaching school. She wasn’t completely cured at that time, but since that time, of course, she’s been completed cured.
Just the other day, not more than a month ago, my friend who works with me there in Mexico, his uncle got cancer. And he got worse and worse, and he was finally in bed. And it was a pancreatic cancer. And so, he said: I want to go treat my uncle. And I said: Sure, go treat your uncle.
And so, he got on the plane and he flew to another Mexican city where his uncle was. And his uncle was lying in bed, totally depressed, would hardly even talk to him. And so he says: Here, I‘m going to give you some stuff to take. And he just handed it to him and said: Drink it. [laughs]
And then he did a whole protocol that we have, which is putting the MMS on the outside of the skin, and several other things. And by the next morning, he got up out of bed and walked around a bit.
And by the third day he quit taking the pain tablets. And that’s generally the first thing that really is a good sign, and most always, almost always, happens with cancer patients, is within 2 or 3 days they quit taking the pain tablets. And so he quit taking the pain tablets. And by the end of the week he was talking about going back to work.
Now, when I left Mexico, he wasn’t totally cured, but that guy was up, living his life again at least.
BR: And it works because chlorine dioxide heads straight for anything that’s anaerobic and basically just explodes it.
BR: And cancer cells are anaerobic.
JH:Yes. But there’s a little bit more to it than that with cancer. You see, we put it on the skin. And we use DMSO. That’s a particular material that soaks into the skin. Now, it’s used by people to treat horses all over the world, and it’s used for treating a lot of animals. And a lot of people have used it, too.
BR: What’s that name again?
JH:DMSO. And if you mix it with the MMS, and you put it on the skin, it soaks into the skin and it takes the MMS into the skin, too. And so, when it takes the MMS into the skin, it heads directly for the cancer. And it soaks into the cancer, too.
Instead of attacking the cancer cells, the weak cancerous cells, because it’s DMSO, it soaks into the cell, and it kills the little bug that’s inside the cell that’s causing the cancer and that’s causing the cell to be weak and cancerous.
When you kill that little bug, the cell becomes healthy again. And so, you no longer have to kill the cell. And so the whole theory behind using MMS to kill cancer is, we use it three or four different ways, all on the same guy, because we want to have as much MMS in that person’s body as possible.
We want to make the body -- environment of the body -- totally reject the cancer. And so, the more we can get into the body, the more likely that it will kill the cancer.
But we’re limited, because we can’t make the person sick. We gotta stay giving him just enough that he don’t get sick, but is on the edge of getting sick. [laughs] So we’ve got to keep him just on that very edge. And therefore, it’s pretty intense for cancer. It’s pretty intense. He needs to take it 4 or 5 times a day, small amounts 4 or 5 times a day, instead of a big batch at one time.
BR: What does “small amounts” mean?
JH:Well, “small amounts” means 3, 4, 5, 6 drops of MMS. And, of course, you’ve got to activate the MMS, too, but it’s small amounts.
And then, of course, the MMS that’s put on the outside of the body affects the body in a different way. And it doesn’t cause a Herxheimer reaction -- a Herxheimer reaction being the reaction that’s caused by cells dying -- because it goes in and it kills the bug that’s inside the cancer instead of killing the cancer... inside the cancerous cells, I should say. So it kills the...
So, we’ve been having a lot of luck with cancer and almost every other disease you can imagine.
BR: Now it sounds like... I mean, like now watching this video, there will be people who are paying very close attention to what you’re saying because they may be thinking, you know: This is my last hope. Do they buy a bottle and start taking it? Do they need to consult a practitioner, someone with experience? Are there special protocols for different kinds of cancer?
JH:Well, some people... You know, some people have the ability to self-medicate. And boy, I mean, the medical doctors really hate that. Self-medication, you know, it’s going to keep them from getting a few bucks. [laughs] And so they scream about self-medication all the time.
But self-medication’s a good thing. People are taking responsibility for themselves, and so I recommend that. Either way. If you can find somebody who has experience, that’s good, but get going.
And so, I have all of the data on my different websites. And those websites have protocols on them. And the protocols tell you how to do it, tell you how to do the cancer, tell you how to do others things as well.
And the latest one is, I say, a “Protocol for People who have Life-threatening Diseases.” And that is the latest protocol, and the protocol that we’ve been getting the best results for, for life-threatening diseases like cancer. There are a lot of other things that you don’t need to go that intense with. You can take it much easier.
But normally I have all of those different protocols on, and a lot of other data, too. And, for people who really want to study up on it, I have what’s called a MMS Answers site, and there’s more than 800 questions and answers that I have given people over the last year.
And those questions are cross-referenced in a number of different ways, so you can look up almost anything. If you want to look up pancreas, you can look up pancreas. If you want to look up colon, you can look up colon, or a number of other things in that manner.
BR: So what you want is to give people the power to take their own health welfare back into their own hands, away from the professionals.
JH:Exactly. Exactly. I think the more a person takes responsibility for his own health, the more likely he is to be happy and stay alive.
BR: And, in terms of a list of the diseases which MMS has been shown to be efficacious against, you’re talking malaria, AIDS, cancer. What else?
JH:Flu. Colds. All types of diseases of the mouth. Most people find that they... Even people who think they have healthy mouths, if they will brush with MMS once or twice a day, they’ll find that their gums’ll get harder, their teeth will get more solidly in place, the teeth will get whiter.
The MMS kills any bacteria that’s on the teeth and helps enamel remain solid, and helps the enamel build back to a certain extent. Because if you kill all those bacteria in there, the enamel can improve, to a certain extent. And all kinds of people who’ve had terrible, terrible diseases of the mouth -- and including abscessed teeth. Including abscessed teeth.
Now, for a long time I was pretty much convinced that if the tooth abscessed from the inside, you couldn’t get MMS into it, and therefore you couldn’t cure it if it was abscessed from the inside. But the fact of the matter is... One of my guys said: Hey, I’m gonna try that DMSO and see if it’ll soak in. And so he put it in, and brushed his mouth with a real light, soft toothbrush for a while, just dipping it in the DMSO and the MMS combination, and just brushing it. And in about two days, the abscess in his tooth went away.
Now, that’s a total impossibility, but it works. [laughs] And so, it does really great things with all... I mean, I’ve had lots and lots of people call me and tell me that their mouth was in terrible shape, and tell me how it had improved to normal, or even better than what you consider normal. So, it really works well with fixing the mouth up.
BR: Now there are two modern-day plagues that could spread, so we are told. One is tuberculosis, and the other one is avian flu, if it comes to that. Would you have reason to suspect that MMS could work against both of these?
JH:Well, I sure would. The avian flu... Of course, you know, there’s been an entire multi-billions of people on this Earth. There’s only been 300 cases of avian flu, and those guys that got that was in places that was highly susceptible to it.
The chances of it ever happening is very, very slim, although the president, Bush, thinks, and has been talking about how he expects it to happen, you know. And there’s a lot of people talking about, in the drug cartels, are talking about how it’s going to be, it’s just gonna happen sooner or later, it’s gotta happen but they just don’t know how soon it’s gonna happen, but they know it’s gonna happen.
BR: Some people think it’s been weaponized.
JH:That’s right. There are some people that think it’s been weaponized. But I think that the flu that’s been the most dangerous was the 1917 flu. It killed 50 million people. And they’ve gotten that one back, too. [laughs] So they reconstructed it from people who were buried up in Alaska, who had the flu. And they were buried in ice, and they’ve been in ice all these years.
But I think... MMS kills any flu that I’ve seen so far, and it’s just a pathogen, and so it should be able to kill that flu as well. So, the best way is to keep a bottle of MMS on your shelf. [laughs]
BR: Yes. Is there anything you can say about your own vision for the next few years? Because this has been a staggering story. This started in Guyana, how many years ago?
JH:In 1997 in Guyana. So what’s that? 10 years now.
BR: So in a decade it’s now a world-wide phenomenon.
BR: You see it on every discussion board, on every internet forum, and people are talking about it. People are writing to us about it. The alternative health community is abuzz with this. What’s next? Where is this gonna go? What are your personal plans?
JH:Well, I’d like to start in Africa, and take one single country, and just cure all the malaria in that one country. And we’ll get a lot of the AIDS while we’re at it. Of course, AIDS is a much more complex disease and much harder to handle than malaria. But I think that we have some protocols, ways of using MMS, that will probably work on AIDS. So far we’ve had good luck.
BR: What country do you have in mind?
JH:Well, I have the country of Malawi in mind. It may not be that country, but that country would be a good one because I’ve already talked to all of the... I did talk to all of the people in the government there. They were all very helpful. They all were happy to see me. They were happy for me to be treating their people.
There was no governmental problems at all. Even, they had a malaria department in the government, and that department was happy to work with me. So I’d like to go somewhere like... I’d like to go there just because it would be easy to get things going without a lot of getting permission and problems. That would be the main thing.
BR: Is there any possibility that you could get scientific studies written up in the scientific journals?
JH:Yes, there’s a possibility, but I’ve discouraged that. I’ve had chances. People have asked me if I wanted to do that.
And I have discouraged it because we have been a grassroots movement from the very beginning. We’ve been very successful in being a grassroots movement. And when I say “grassroots,” I mean below the government’s radar. They haven’t been aware of us.
And I had one of my friends check with the FDA the other day. He went in and he went to the third man in control in the FDA and asked him about MMS. What did they think about it?
And the guy said: Well, that’s just crap. He said: We don’t worry about things like that. He said: We have these multimillion-dollar corporations that are furnishing herbs that are replacing some of the drugs. And we have a lot of... we don’t have enough money to control them. He says: Why are we gonna worry about some little guy down there in the street selling MMS?
So, they aren’t aware of what MMS’ll do. They’re not aware of what’s happening. And I want to leave it that way. I don’t want the governments and the various different drug companies finding out about it.
I’ve had chances to go on national newspapers, and one or two chances to go on national TV, and I’ve always rejected it -- although I’m happy to go on the internet, and I’ve had a lot of different internet attention.
But I don’t want... I didn’t want to get it spread out so much that the government’s gonna get their hand in it. Because you know what they do; they stop whatever they can. So I’ve been avoiding that. Eventually it’s gonna come, though. Eventually we’re gonna have to let... the news is gonna get out. But I’m gonna wait as long as I can on that.
BR: And you’ve heard one or two stories of people who come up against The-Powers-That-Be and suffer a little bit for that, haven’t you?
JH:I’ve heard of a lot of stories. One of my... A guy that I know pretty well was trying to sell, was selling, a salve that affected cancer. It actually is called the Indian Herb, and it’s been sold for 70 years, and the lady who sells it has like 3,000 letters from people who’ve had cancer cured.
And he was selling this on the internet. And as soon as the FDA heard about it, they come out, and they confiscated his house, and his car, and his whole business, and his bank account. They got everything.
And they put him in jail. And then they kept him from talking to his lawyer by moving him from jail to jail, so that he couldn’t get to talk to his lawyer. And then, after 6 months they finally charged him. They moved him around for 6 months, then after 6 months they finally charged him and they...
And when he said: Not guilty, the judge said: Wait a minute. Let’s go to my chambers. And so the judge took him into his chambers and he said: You’ve got a choice. He said: Either you plead guilty and go to jail for three years, or I’ll make sure you go to jail for 20 years.
And his lawyer wasn’t there, and he didn’t know what to do, so he went ahead and pleaded guilty, went to jail for three years. And he got out of jail a couple years ago and now he’s down in South America. He don’t want anything more to do with the U.S.
But... I had another friend that I know. He’s become a friend because he knows what I’m doing. But he was in Africa curing malaria and some people, representatives from the drug companies, told him to stop. And he said he wasn’t gonna stop. He was gonna continue to cure malaria.
And one night when he went home... Well, he didn’t go home, he went to his hotel room, and he opened the door and a bomb went off and it blew both of his legs off. Didn’t kill him. He’s in California now. He’s in a wheelchair.
That’s just two of the people I know personally. Then a lot of the older guys, like a guy named Koch back in 1917, cured cancer. And his material was sold to many hundreds of doctors, and more than 100,000 people were cured of cancer before the FDA finally stopped him.
So. I can go on. There’s a lot of other stories about the same thing. There’s Rife. Later on, in 1930s, Rife cured another... His equipment and things cured another 100,000 people from cancer. And the FDA stopped him, burned all of his books and all of his laboratory equipment and everything.
And the FDA has burned many books, has had the burning of books many times. The DMSO book was ordered to be burned. And it was burned. They burned all the DMSO books that they could get their hands on.
And so, you gotta stay out of the hands of the drug companies. And of course, the drug companies run the FDA.
In case you don’t know how that goes, the executives from the drug companies take a sabbatical. They take a leave from their drug company, and they go over and be the guy that runs the FDA for a year. And then another drug company. And so, the drug... the FDA in the United States is run by the drug companies. And [laughs] it’s ridiculous.
And they have stopped every case, everything that cures cancer. And they convince the people, which it seems to be easy to convince, they convince the people that these people who actually have cancer cures are charlatans and bad guys, and they convince...
And so, you know, I’ve had three or four friends who died of cancer and they said: Well, I’m not gonna go to those quacks. And actually the medical people are the real quacks. They’re the ones that’s killing everybody. And so it’s... That’s the way it exists right now. It’s kind of a shame
BR: Have you had any threats against you from anybody, or are you under the radar?
JH:I’m still under the radar. I haven’t had any threats. But I live in Mexico, just in case. [laughs] I’m paranoid, so I keep out of the radar, and I don’t think that...
I think I probably have another year or two before the FDA says: Uh oh, this stuff is starting to reduce the income of the drug companies. And that’s what’s going to really do the thing. When the money starts decreasing, when it looks like that the MMS is starting to replace some of the drugs, then that’s what’s going to really make ’em mad.
BR: So your goal is to get as much out there as fast as possible before they...
JH:That’s right. Get as much out. Get as many people using it as possible, so that... And, you know, my book tells how to make it. And it even tells how to manufacture it in your kitchen, so that you can buy the book and set up to manufacture it and furnish it to your neighbors or furnish it to your family, or whatever.
BR: OK. And what you’re saying is... In your book you’ve actually got instructions about how to be completely self-sufficient as far as MMS, if you want to do that.
JH:That’s right. A step-by-step procedure to make a few bottles for yourself, and a step-by-step procedure to make hundreds or thousands of bottles to be sold.
BR: And for anyone who’s thinking of buying some, it goes a very long way. We’re just talking about a few little drops at a time. Right?
JH:That’s right. A $20 bottle will last you, personally... Say, if you want to take a maintenance dose every day, a $20 bottle will last you about a year and a half. And if you’re gonna use it for your whole family, it’ll probably last for 3, 4, 5 months.
And the idea... and everybody has been really good at it... I ask everybody... I don’t sell it myself, except I’m starting to in Mexico, but for the last 10 years I haven’t sold it myself. I give bottles away, but mostly I encourage other people to sell it. And everybody kept the price down.
I said: Look, we want to keep the price down so anybody in the world can afford it. And they all, so far, are humanitarian-type people, and they’re all manufacturing and selling it for the same price, which is $20 a bottle. I don’t care whether it’s in Germany, or South Africa, or Australia, or the United States, or Mexico. It’s $20 a bottle.
And that’s less than a penny a dose. You can cure a case of malaria for 5 cents. And even the people in Africa can afford that. Now, when we go there, we ain’t gonna charge ’em that much. We’re gonna do it for free at first, but they could afford it if they had to.
BR: What’s your spiritual and philosophical backdrop that’s taken you through all these extraordinary years?
JH:Well, I like to believe that I’m a highly spiritual guy, but not religious.
BR: I appreciate the difference.
JH:OK. All right. And so, I believe that the more spiritual a person is, and the more he looks into doing things that he knows is right to do, the more power he has. And I believe that in the whole movement towards a better health movement, or a better movement towards making people well who are sick -- which is totally against what the medical people are doing nowadays -- but I believe that the more people work towards right things, the more power they have.
Because, if they’re really doing what they know is right, they aren’t going to have any guilt. They aren’t... Buried in everybody’s mind somewhere, if he’s doing wrong, if he’s fleecing people of their money, if he’s causing people to die, somewhere deep inside there he knows that he’s doing wrong. And if knows that, he loses more power as time goes on.
And I think that that’s happening on Earth today -- now. I think that as those drug companies cause more and more deaths, and as the FDA causes more and more deaths in more and more people, that they are slowly losing their power. And not nearly as fast as we’d like, but they are losing their power.
And I think that the alternate medicine movement is slowly gaining power, and the people in it are becoming more powerful. And it’s happening to me. What’s happening to me, to a certain extent, is, people are showing up to talk to me about powerful things.
BR: Mm hm.
JH:And I’m not free to discuss most of ’em. But I think that we are on the edge of a paradigm-change in the healing industry. And I think that that paradigm-change will happen in the next very few years. It won’t be a long time.
And that will help us into a paradigm-change in the brutality of man against man. And I don’t know how long that change’ll take. That change may take 50 to a couple of hundred years, but it’s changing. And it never has changed.
For hundreds of thousands of years, there has been no change in the brutality of man against man. I mean, they talk about Jesus, and they talk about Mohammed, and they talk about all of these wonderful people that have come before. And there are hundreds of them, really. And they’ve all taught love, and they’ve all talked about these wonderful things. And there’s been NO change in the paradigm of brutality of man.
And I think that those of us, now, are beginning to come together in communication -- not necessarily gathering in one place, but in communication.
People are talking to me from all over the world. And other people, like this group here, that we’re having a congress here about alternate medicine, and that sort of thing. And I just was to another congress in Mexico City. And congresses are happening all over. And they’re talking about alternate medicine. And these things weren’t happening 20 years ago. Very few of ’em was happening even 10 years ago.
But, believe me, we’re going into a paradigm shift. It’s coming slowly, but it’s gonna happen. And it’s gonna happen because there are a lot of people on Earth now that are beginning to do what they know is right.
BR: I would say that this shift has started. We’re starting to see it in our own lifetime, and we’re very privileged to be here at this time.
JH:That’s right. Yeah. I feel exactly the same way. And I think that... And to carry it a little bit further than that, I think that in the past, many millions of years or thousands of years, that many of us... that there was a group of us who agreed to be here and to work on this particular paradigm shift.
BR: And I’m one of those, too! [laughter]
JH:See? And so, I’m meeting a lot of them. I mean, you’re not just... A lot of people are calling me on the phone and saying: Hey, I remember when we agreed to be here. You know? And things like that.
JH:Right. And so we’re doing what we know is right. And we’re so much more powerful than those guys out there that are screwing people over, and causing deaths, and causing suffering and pain, and all that. They don’t have a chance. They’ve lost. They just don’t know it. [laughs] And it’s gonna take a while to get the point across to them, but it’s gonna be. It’s gonna happen.
So that’s the part of it I like to mention because I watched the suffering and the pain for so long that I like to see... I see it happening. I’ve seen the thousands of miracles in the past few years. And I know we’re gonna see a lot more.
BR: I think you’re absolutely right. And you’re right at the vanguard of the shift. You’re part of the movement that’s actually making this happen. You’re exactly in the right place at the right time.
JH:Well, thank you. [laughs]
BR: You’re a great man, sir. You’re a very brave man for coming out to do this stuff so openly. Even if you are underneath the radar, there are tens of thousands of people who will be watching this video and who will be paying very close attention to what you’re saying. You’ll be saving a lot of lives. And I take my hat off to you, sir. [laughter] It’s been a great privilege.
JH:Well, thank you. Certainly it’s my privilege to be here and to have you say such wonderful things.
BR: Thank you, Jim Humble.
JH:You’re welcome. [background applause] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
BR: And I meant what I said.
JH:Great. I appreciate it.
BR: I’d love to see you again next year when maybe you can say a little more.
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