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Transcript of James Casbolt at 2007 UFO Conference, Cornwall, UK

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November 18, 2008

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Audio Interview of James Casbolt at the 2007 Cornwall UFO Conference

Part A
Part B
Part C
Part D

Transcript by Elissa Wadds <>

Part 1

JC: Basically, you’ve got...I’ve got a new book coming out after Christmas called “Agent Buried Alive”

Q: What is the significance of the title?

JC: Because a lot of my programming went on underground, I was kind of like buried alive.

Q: What do you mean by underground? Literally underground?

JC: Literally in bases.

Q:; What were those bases?

JC: The AL499 in Berkshire. Grew up just near the base.

Q: Right. What we learned…what we were told by Barry King is the Peasemore base.

JC: Peasemore. That’s it. Yeah. Peasemore base. And uh, also the CLC-1. The (inaudible) Westminster. That stands for Compartmented Learning Center One. That’s where they have a lot of remote viewers, remote influencing. I was there in ’94.

Q: We’ve also been told that the Americans and Russians had all this remote viewing stuff, and the British really never did anything. So can you elaborate about that?

JC: Well, the CLC-1 base is…and the AL499 Peasemore they are run by the NSA which is American intelligence. But the…

Q: What’s the NSA doing right underneath London?

JC: I think they’re in control of a lot of bases in different countries.

Q: How do they get control of different…how do they get control of bases in other sovereign states? I mean we’re meant to be independent? How does that..

JC: Ah, in my understanding it was the National Security Act in 1947. Britain was part of that. So I think everybody handed their ultimate powers over to the American government. The National Security Act. Whoever was part of that. I know Britain was part of the National Security Act of 1947. I think the…when it comes to military bases, the Americans are running in this country….ah, the CLC-1 underneath Westminster is controlled by the NSA.

Q: How far underneath Westminster? Is it part of a larger complex?

JC: Yeah, you’ve got to understand Mars, when I was taken in the base I was already drugged. I was in there. So the memories of actually going in there are very blurry. I remember when I was in the base, there is a connection to another base underneath Parliament. That’s supposedly got reptilians and greys in. Because there is a very powerful remote viewer I know who has remote viewed the base underneath Parliament and he said he saw greys and reptilians there. I’ve seen non-human entities in bases over the years.

Q: When you say they’re non-human, you’re not necessarily saying alien? They’re not human.

JC: I saw strange animal types of creatures in cages. Possibly this is a continuation of Nazi super race projects, genetic creations. Because I know one of the sub projects at Mannequin I was involved in was called the Tigress program. And in that they were taking modified animal DNA and injecting it into remote viewers to genetically enhance espionage agents. Okay, what have I seen? I’ve seen a lot over the years. First memory was in 1981, I was 5 years old, and I was at school in London. This was the middle of 1981. I was driven up to the Greenham Common entrance in a Ford Sierra. There was two guys in the front seat, and we drove up to the gates. Gates opened and ne of the guys turned around and said to me “they keep nuclear weapons here”. And ah, from my understanding that’s actually a front. This mind control operation, kidnapping children, this was the middle of 1981 when I was taken in and I was 5 years old. Basically the gates opened, we drove in, drove along…drove down an underground road. That’s code named the Bravo entrance to the AL499 base. Drove down quite far to an underground car park, underground. Got out and there is a group of 15 other children there. We were kind of huddled in the corner. There is actually a military truck parked opposite, quite a big one. And then there was two…you know like you have a car park you have a man in a booth who presses a button and the things come up. There were two of them because there was a 2-lane road underground.

There was one on each road. They went further underground once the things open…once they let you in. We were 15 children. We were all huddled in the corner and given blankets. There was a door on the right. Ah, we were taken in the door on the right by military officers, we were taken in. It was like a…we went through a corridor…and it was like a classroom setting there. Tables and chairs. We all sat down. We were given a puzzle like geometrical shapes to put together. What they were doing there was…we were all identified psychics. Because it was the Project Oak Tree in the 50’s, before Project Mannequin. That was a genetic bloodlines study, that was run from Harwell Genetics Labs in Oxfordshire.

Q: Yeah, which was also connected to this base?

JC: Yeah, that’s the Delta entrance, Harwell. That goes down to the AL499.

Q: Harwell is where the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory…

JC: The genetics labs, yeah. But the Harwell genetics study was called Project Oak Tree and that was (inaudible) into one of the major hospitals in the country. Still is. Still looking for psychic children.

Q: In other words, they’re marking your medical records to check who is what? How do they do that? Do you know how they do that? Is there any mechanism?

JC: I’m not exactly sure how they do it.

Q: So you don’t know what to look for in your medical records to see if you’ve been identified or not?

JC: Well, Barry King says that it comes up on your records that you’re part of a genetic survey, but it doesn’t say what that survey is. All your medical records are actually routed through the NSA, through Harwell. Basically they are looking for blue bloods. Children of these bloodlines.

Q: Is this connected to?

JC: Basically I think you’ve got the um…the reptilians have high degrees of copper in their blood. So actually it comes out blue. P eople with RH negative they have massive amounts of copper in their blood. They process oxygen…they process a lot more oxygen in the blood…in the RH positive. The RH negative is very rare. It’s about 4-5% of the population. The amount of oxygen you can process in the blood, that determines psychic ability. It’s like in yoga and tai chi. It’s the process of the oxygen in the blood that develops psychic abilities. So basically these bloodlines are naturally psychic.

Q: We’re running a low oxygen level atmosphere now. The earth’s atmosphere is much lower in oxygen than it used to be.

JC: Right, because they’re trying to dampen down everyone’s psychic abilities to bring the new world order in. It’s people are aware of it. The group of children I was programmed with we’re all descendants of the tribe of Dan. Again, just to explain a little bit about them, they came out of the Middle East at the time of the Exodus. They went up to Greece where the Spartans, I mentioned that. They went up to France and other places in Europe. They were the Merovingian Kings there, another royal bloodlines. From there they traveled up to Great Britain and Ireland and America. In Ireland they were known as the Tu’atha De Danann kings there. In America their symbol is an eagle. And that’s the symbol that the American coat of arms and national security agencies, the eagle is the tribe of Dan. Basically this group, this genetic group is all the descendants of the tribe of Dan. [end of clip 1]

Part 2

JC: [start of clip 2] this um…a lot of the sub projects of Mannequin. In films and in X-Men comics they’ve taken bits out, but ah basically…

Q: Can you think of anything current?

JC: There is just a new X-Men comic come out called “The Tomorrow People”. The Tomorrow People is actually..

Q: Tomorrow People was of course a psychic TV program made in the 70’s.

JC: Right. I didn’t know that.

Q: Yeah. They (inaudible) Tomorrow People were (inaudible) psychic people. There was a science fiction (inaudible).

JC: Right, because basically the Tomorrow People is the name of the project at the CLC-1 base underneath Westminster. It was the remote viewing project. It was called The Tomorrow People.

Q: Did they have special psychic ability and well, continue.

JC: Yeah, the remote viewing, the remote influencing.

Q: It’s an example of television, children’s television actually being used to actually inform of current, secret projects. There is no other way to describe…

JC: Well basically…I don’t know whether it is part of a public education program to get people desensitized to it, or possibly it’s just an inside joke by the NSA. They’re saying we’re putting it right in your face what’s going on. You’re too dumb, you can’t even notice. I’d probably go with the latter. By me…these NSA guys who have helped me, basically I signed a contract with one of them. A NSA non-disclosure agreement, I could show you a copy of it at some point. But on section 5 it says any classified information that you’re given, if you create any films or books, comics from it you have to give a percentage to the National Security Agency.

Q: So they’ll let you talk about it (inaudible)? It’s not like the Official Secrets Act then?

JC: Ah, it’s like an American version of the Official Secrecies Act.

Q: You do talk about (inaudible)?

JC: Yeah, basically. Yeah. You know they’re putting out a lot of these real black projects in films and…

Q: On the basis that no one really believes it. It’s just a film.

JC: I’ve seen certain things over the years which don’t feel comfortable

talking about now. But, ah, I do know 100% they’ve got this biowarfare weapon.

Q: So if you had a suitcase or something and you opened it up, would it blow up in your face?

JC: I don’t know how it works exactly. It could possibly be an airborne thing come out. I don’t understand. B ut I know what it does. I know the effects. I’ve seen the effects of it in the biowarfare tests.

Q: Is it a permanent thing?

JC: Permanent, yeah.

Q: It affects the brain?

JC: It affects the brain.

Q: Is it a nerve gas of some kind?

JC: I don’t know exactly what it is, but I’ve seen the effects of it in the biowarfare tests in Project Mannequin.

Q: Is that on (inaudible) or real people?

JC: Ah no, I’ve seen real people. Biowarfare tests.

Q: Those people are?

JC: Those people. Ah, they were possibly homeless people. They were locked in a room, a sealed room. I get real twitchy talking about it.

Q: Can you tell of any other kind of experiments like that where they used people like that?

JC: I saw, ah. Over the years. This was basically, I went for four military abductions last year.

Q: Last year?

JC: Last year.

Q: That’s the year 2006. Military abductions. MILABS?

JC: Yeah, MILAB.

Q: Can you describe what happened to those?

JC: Four different ones. I’ve gone through quite a few MILABS over the years, but I’ve never gone through four in a year before. Basically they needed to get certain genetic procedures in place before my 30th birthday because when you hit 30 you start to get a lot of your memories back. Neural pathways open up in the brain.

Q: So is that how you’re able to talk about this now?

JC: Yeah. I still get really twitchy talking about things. Certain things I’ve seen over the years.

Q: If you can concentrate on what you personally witnessed that would be good.

JC: Okay, in one of the military abductions towards the end of 2006. What’s actually happened…how I know some of the bases I was at. One of them was at the Monsoon One facility.

Q: Which one?

JC: Monsoon One below RAF Lakenheath. 9 miles from London. It was there in a place called Proteous Labs.

Q: Proteous Labs?

JC: That’s what they called it. It’s called Monsoon One underneath RAF Lakenheath. Basically how I got to these places, was ah. Because I’m implanted I’m still under a lot of mind control. I can be triggered to do things and I will go and do it against my will and won’t remember doing it afterwards. So I have vague memories.

Q: Manchurian Candidate?

JC: Yeah, that’s what Project Mannequin is to create Manchurian Candidates. So basically ah..

Q: What kind of implant are you talking about? Are you talking about these little tiny things?

JC: Cranial implants. I’ve got one little implant here, on the back, one on the right hand side. There’s actually a wire. It’s a copper wire. Goes around and connects to the implant there. Got a…

Q: Got in your teeth?

JC: No, actually it’s next to my jaw there. A little bio monitor there. Possibly others things I don’t know about.

Q: Is there any way this can be verified by x-ray?

JC: I’m looking to get a private x-ray at some point.

Q: Is the material that is being used some kind of material, is it metallic? Or is it very close to body tissues so it’s not visible on x-ray?

JC: I think some of it is like crystal. Body tissue. But I know some of the implants do show up on x-ray, and others don’t so I’ll have to wait and see. Well, I was getting a few years back, I was getting really bad nosebleeds and intense headaches that were ruining my life. I couldn’t watch TV. I had to sit in a dark room every night for about 3 months at night because light would hurt my eyes.

Q: Sounds like a shingles effect, hurt your eyes?

JC: It was a nightmare. I thought that drills were going into my eyes (inaudible). I was on really heavy painkillers. Basically I went for an x-ray but they wouldn’t show me the results, and then after that this plastic material came out of my nose when I was blowing it. It stayed there but then it disintegrated a couple of days later. It was like hard plastic. And once that come out the pain, the pressure it went. Possibly where this stuff is happening, these procedures are taking place is um…For instance, the Proteous Labs, the genetics labs under Monsoon One. Basically what happened, the end of 2006, this was around August. The latter part of August, something happened at the beginning of August as well but I’ll concentrate on this. I fell asleep at half two in the morning, and woke up 45 minutes later, got dressed, headed out the front door down to the local cliffs, the middle of nowhere. Basically there was a Fire Fly waiting for me. A black triangle disc which is a (inaudible) craft.

Q: The British version of the Stealth?

JC: Yeah. Very small. Very small craft. The next thing I know I’m walking up a ramp on there. There’s a lot of Special Forces guys in there dressed in black uniforms with no insignia on. I went in and there was a ramp at the back. I walked onto it, it was like ah…the main section was like this with 6 seats on each side. They face each other like a military plane. Like a passenger jet. Like a military plane. Opposite each other. And up front there is a cockpit with 2 seats in it. And I took my seat, I took my place down on the right hand side at the end. I was in a trance, a drugged state, by then. I was under a lot, triggered to do that. Took off. Flew. Didn’t see where we were going.

Q: Were there windows inside?

JC: The only window is at the front, at the cockpit. And there is no door. But I couldn’t…when you’re in there you can’t turn your head. You can only look in a certain direction. You’re totally like a robot, under total control. And ah, we went down and next thing I know we’re in a room. A large room. There was a cage in the left hand corner. I could see the side with the bars, but I couldn’t look to see what was in the cage. And basically, there was a door there. A door there [end of clip 2].

Part 3

JC: [beginning of clip 3] There was basically a door on the right hand side there. And there was 3 doctor types, scientist types, in white lab coats. And there was 2 other people and we were lined up on the wall like this. And there was another room just next to it on the left. We were taken in. And there were 3 pods in that room lined up. They looked like kind of like small telephone boxes but they were humming like ELF, like radio waves, and ah. They took the woman, the woman was next to me, she was like 40, blond hair. They took her and as she was getting led to it, she started to like seemed to be having an orgasm. Started to like get really sexually aroused. She was begging to be put in it as she got closer. Through my research I found that they got these machines that artificially enhance the orgasmic state. Basically psychic energy and sexual energy is one in the same. They are increasing sexual energy and that increases the psychic energy. They put her in. She was in there for about a minute. They took her out. And then they put me in there. They took me out. And the doctor said to me that we just installed the Proteous programming to you, and these are the Proteous Labs. Because in a lot of the military abductions they explained to me what was going on. They tell me what is going on. This is called this. We are in this place.

Q: So what is the Proteous project, or program they put in you?

JC: It’s like a Super Soldier project. Proteous is a Greek word that means the first of its kind. They are creating a new race of sleepers, Manchurian Candidates, psychic abilities. They are going to use it for the New World Order. They are waiting to go into action as certain things happen. And just after we came out of the pods, we were taken into the room. And a scientist walked over to the door on the right and opened it, and brought out these deformed humans. Like horrible genetics, or lumps on their head, elongated arms. They were human, they were not alien. They were netically deformed. We were up against the wall again. And they brought them in front of us, and the doctor said to the one that was opposite me, you have to go close to his face and speak to him in his face. Or he will go into denial that this is happening, the programming won’t take properly. So this thing, this deformed human, comes close to my face and starts swearing at me in my face. He could speak English like with a British accent. I was trying to shout, to tell it to fuck off. I couldn’t speak. I was paralyzed. I couldn’t speak. Basically, these deformed humans look like John Merrick, the Elephant Man. After this experience happened I started researching what Proteous means. I’d never heard the word before. Basically, it’s a Greek name. It means the first of its kind.

Q: And this is August of 2006?

JC: Yeah, the latter part of August. They look like John Merrick, the Elephant Man. I started researching a bit about John Merrick and I found out that his condition was called Proteous Syndrome. And it had been coined by a Jewish doctor. And this is what these things look like. And Barry King told me that RAF Lakenheath is connected to the Project Mannequin. The base there, they take a lot of people there for programming, genetic enhancements. I spoke to a NSA contact and said I was in the Proteous labs, I was taken there by aircraft. Where is the Proteous labs? And he checked his computer, and said it’s a facility called Monsoon One. And I said where is Monsoon One? Because that’s underneath RAF Lakenheath. And Barry King had told me RAF Lakenheath is part of Project Mannequin.

Q: So that is one of the 4 abductions last year?

JC: Yeah. Yeah. Basically there was harassment in the evenings by MIB’s.

Q: What did they look like?

JC: These were again, Special Forces guys dressed in black uniforms with no insignia on them. The same kind of uniforms that I saw the guys in the in the Fire Fly wearing. I stayed at a friend’s in Southampton just before this. He’s got a jewelry shop, and we stayed there. We were there, and we were going off about military bases and taking photographs of orbs and stuff like that. I left, and that night he was asleep in the shop and these 2 guys in black military uniforms stood outside his shop. And they, what they were doing…he’s got these metal shutters in front of the shop and they’re not electronically controlled. You’ve got to pull them up and down with your hands. They were standing there and they were using some sort of psychic abilities and they were lifting these shutters up sort of perfectly. The shutters were coming up and going “bshhh” and crashing down. And coming up and “bshhh” crashing down.

Q: What ages? The people were these.

JC: The two guys?

Q: Yeah.

JC: One of them was really big, one of them was about 6’3”, really muscular, a white guy. They were around their 30’s. The other guy was a smaller Asian. He was asleep, but what happened was all the neighbors came out. It’s a small little Asian community in Southampton. All the neighbors came out. What’s the noise about? It ended up 40 neighbors outside the shop. When the neighbors come out, these guys slipped off. But the shutters kept carrying on coming up, coming down. They did that for an hour. Just going up & down themselves. Then the police ended up getting called. The police were trying to get everyone to calm down, because everyone is freaking out. Because it was a real quiet, a Muslim, religious community. Everyone is really freaking out. And the police said no, these are on electronic shutters. They’ve got to be, and the batteries should run out. It’s been doing it for an hour now. And they said no, there’s no electronic control. You can only do it by hand. Cause this isn’t right.

Q: You told them this?

JC: No, the neighbors said this to the police. Because they know my friend, the good guy in the shop. It carried on for about 2 hours going up and down. Slamming down. In the end it stopped. And the police came to my friend the next day and were asking questions. They checked the camera, CCTV, and the video footage had shut down the time the 2 guys in black come outside. And my friend was all freaked out and went to stay at his Mum’s. And then the next night they got another report of another disturbance outside. The police pulled up in a van, and there were 4 mummies outside the shop dancing, 4 mummies in like…you know, proper mummies outside in a circle dancing outside the shop. And the neighbors, there were about 20 eye witnesses saw the mummies outside the shop. They danced for about 10 minutes. The police were too scared to get out of the van. Then they just went poof and disappeared. In my understanding that is like NSA hologram, Project Bluebeam, it’s like psychological warfare stuff. They use it a lot of holographic stuff. [end of clip 3]

Part 4

JC: [beginning of clip 4] …just disappeared. In my understanding that is like NSA hologram, Project Bluebeam, it’s like psychological warfare stuff. They use it a lot of holographic stuff.

Q: Can you explain more about Project Bluebeam?

JC: It’s holograms, you know, you can project…

Q: Into the mind or into the?

JC: You can project holographic technology. You can project a group of people walking along there, and they’ll look solid, 3-dimensional. They’ll be holograms.

Q: Where would the projectors be housed in order to do this?

JC: Possibly…I don’t know exactly where it is projecting from. Possibly satellite, possibly a van parked somewhere. I know that holograms are very realistic. [pause] I just like, basically Project Mannequin, a lot of it is about harnessing radio waves, brain waves, and it’s about sending them out through televisions, mobile phones and mobile phone masts. It’s like they are sending out frequencies because everyone’s got a telepathic receiver like a radio receiver at the pineal gland in the brain.

Q: So they’re using the broadcast communications system as a mechanism for mind control or mind implantation of ideas or?

JC: Yeah, but what they’re doing is dampening down consciousness. To put it, what my main message about the missing children, and the children that are being abused and satanically murdered in the facilities. Basically they are taking children into the bases. Like 25,000 children go missing every year in this country. What they’re doing is, they’ve got brain implants, and they’re ritually murdering them.

Q: What kind of ritual? Can you describe?

JC: They’re cutting their throats, they’re cutting their hands off. Things based around that. Rituals. And at the time of death they are recording the brain waves of the children onto a computer.

Q: How are they doing that?

JC: By radio wave. Because brain waves and radio waves are the same thing. They record those frequencies from the brain implant onto a computer. And then what they’re doing, they’re sending that radio wave, that frequency, out through phone masts through satellite and TV’s. Sending out. And it’s causing the crime rate to go up, it’s causing people’s anxiety levels to go up, and what they can do they can um…it’s causing sexual abuse, drug abuse, alcohol abuse to go up. And what they can is by the means of death, they murder the children, they can attack population’s chakras. So when they cut a child’s throat and record that type of death from that frequency from their brain implant onto a computer, they send that out and that stops people being able to talk to each other properly from the heart. [pause] Jogging past the woods there a couple of weeks before, like every night, and on about 4, I think it was 4 separate nights I heard screams coming out of the woods. This was even before the 2 children were found, and then the military sealed the area off. And then like in the new forest there’s children’s bodies being found there with the skin removed and things like that.

Q: Like mutilation?

JC: Yeah, like eyeballs removed. Basically lymphatic system removed. The tongues, the eyeballs, the genitalia. [pause]. Well these are connected to an intelligence group called Group 5A. Part of British Intelligence, connected to the United Nations. They basically, a few years back, they were up in Brecon Beacons area. There is an underground NSA base under Brecon Beacons. They were…

Q: There is an experimentation base there?

JC: Yeah. Brecon Beacons. They were around the area. They were being called to the scene of camper vans, the area where people were missing. And disappeared from the camper vans. They basically got called to one scene and there were two bodies there. A young boy and young girl. They sealed off the area military style. The eyeballs had been removed, half the skin was missing, tongues, genitals. And basically the Group 5A guys showed the photographs to a friend of mine. He was a researcher and meant to get the story out. But then, he had his house burned down.

Q: Who was doing the mutilations? A government program or what?

JC: The information that I’ve got, I go with it’s factions of the greys and reptilians working with the NSA at the bases. They are harvesting the lymphatic system. This gets into the Dulce materials where greys have been seen in vats where human body parts being mixed around. They’re basically absorbing the protein mixture through osmosis, through their skin. They’ve got some kind of genetic disorder, their digestive system don’t work properly.

Q: So are the greys and reptilians bases here? Like a Dulce facility here?

JC: Well, Barry King says he saw greys and reptilians at Berkshire base.

Q: Have you seen?

JC: I’ve never seen any greys and reptilians at the base. I’ve seen things that look like small kind of gargoyles and they were wearing robes. They weren’t greys.

Q: Do you think they were actually earthly-based, genetically altered human beings? Or do you think they were actually…what is your opinion of what those beings were? And how many did you see?

JC: I saw three of them. I mean that’s a long story in itself, I can go into that if you want?

Q: We’ve got a couple of minutes if you can allude to it?

JC: Okay, that was basically…well, in 1981 in the (inaudible) Greenham Common I saw things in cages, like large wolves and dogs there. And I think they were genetic creations, military creations. But these things, um…basically this was on the 4th of August last year. Again, I went out again to, down to the cliffs. And there was a Fire Fly waiting for me again. This has been happening to me for years, under hypnosis, I’ve gone out regularly and met them.

Q: Do you think it would be a good idea to set that up as a surveillance point, catch it on film one night? Does it happen in daylight?

JC: No, late at night, late at night. And there has been a lot of activity in my house, bedroom. Small greys appearing. Reptilians appearing. Now I can’t even sleep in the house by myself and I’m 30 years old.

Q: Are they being projected? Are they Mannequin? Are they Bluebeam projections?

JC: That’s what I thought. They seem really real. It could be holographic projections. They seem very real.

Q: You’ve had those abductions last year. What about this year?

JC: It’s been close encounters at night. Small greys. Tall greys. Reptilians. [pause] The PLF’s have got the round eyes. The real greys have the oval eyes. The ones I’ve seen in my bedroom have the oval eyes. I wake up paralyzed trying to shout and move, but you can’t. The situation has gotten so bad that this is happening once every couple of weeks. Seeing something in the room.

Q: Is there anyway you can record that? Leave a camera rolling.

JC: Yeah, I’ve wanted to get some camera set up. Actually I’ve wanted to actually take a Geiger camera because I can see radio waves, I can physically see radiation because that’s part of my training at Project Mannequin. I can tune my eyes like a digital camera and there are very high levels of radiation in the room. But what this is, it’s called non-ionizing radiation. This is non-ionizing radiation; it doesn’t get in your cells and make you sick. What they’re doing they are, they are using extremely high frequency radiation they’re punching a hole, possibly from underground bases. And then coming into the room.

Q: Just for the record here, we’re in Cornwall? So you’re talking about (inaudible) here in Cornwell?

JC: Cornwell, St. Ives.

Q: St. Ives.

JC: Project Mannequin has a life planned for you. Every school you go to, every university, everywhere you live, it’s planned by the Project for you. And I think they wanted to have me down there, in the middle of nowhere, by the cliffs. As I’ve said I’ve regularly gone down to the cliffs at night and been picked up by military abductions. [end clip 4]

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