http://educate-yourself.org/lte/joecelldebunker18mar04.shtml
March 18, 2004


----- Original Message -----
From: Susan & Peter Eliot
To: John Cross
Cc: editorial@discover.com ; Editor@educate-yourself.org
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 12:52 PM
Subject: Joe and his x thing energy cell

RE: Joe energy cell.

Thanks for passing along information from Click here: The Joe Energy Cell by Ken Adachi I certainly hope someone at one of the scientific journals or gee-whiz magazines takes the time to investigate and report on this type of thing. Perhaps I'll make a request of just that kind of review and comment from one of my subscriptions, Discover Magazine. Unlike magazines like Science or Scientific American, which generally tax my short-term-reader style of consuming information, I think Discover might reach me.

A couple of points relevant to the article on the Joe Energy Cell:

Information in the media stream, (including the article by Ken Adachi ), that will attract meaningful attention must not contain in its body any denigrating personal references to the character of those who are skeptical. Such content is an immediate put-off to those who would likely do the most to advance the cause of genuine development and utilization of such a claim of alternative energy technology.

Another difficulty is the unapologetically anonymous nature of the origin of the primary work. Those who wish to remain apart from the impact of notoriety can interpose intermediaries or mechanisms to buffer ridicule or invasive attention easily enough without resorting to "mystery-man" tactics. Secretiveness raises red flags immediately and serves only to put many of the public, scientific and industrial community on the defensive at best. More commonly, I suspect those who would generate concurring testimony are induced to dismiss claims from secretive or mysterious sources as being "crack-pot" or not worth the time and energy it takes to ferret out the truth behind a claim.

The above two points reveal my approach to the human condition as an organic life form with altruistic capabilities on a physical planet: We are here and can do what we want, but it doesn't seem to further our situation if we choose to interact in such a way that we set up obstacles in each others' way which demand some of us to suspend an effort toward intelligent investigation, shared experience and communication. Indeed, to introduce a new idea in such a counterproductive manner, regardless of the facts behind the claim or idea, serves to demonstrate and further other capabilities of the human condition such as a desire for attention, self-delusion, greed, or a wish for power and control over others.

Peter Eliot

----- Original Message -----
From: Editor
To: Susan & Peter Eliot
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: Joe and his x thing energy cell

Re: Why send this to me?

To read your lofty opinions on a subject of which you wallow in naiveté?

Ken Adachi

----- Original Message -----
From: Susan & Peter Eliot
To: Editor
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Joe and his x thing energy cell

Dear Ken Adachi,

Gee - how pleasant and magnanimous...
"naiveté"? Show me more, so I have something to work with, like peer review references and further reading / links or discussions which define such things as quantifying ways to measure negative attitude that makes the Joe cell fail to work!!!
YOU'RE SURE TO GAIN FAVOR with such an attitude!

----- Original Message -----
From: Editor
To: Susan & Peter Eliot
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Joe and his x thing energy cell

Hello Peter,

I'm not interested in gaining your favor.

You're a naive ass if you think that people like Joe can promote, discuss, advertise, patent, publish , 'peer review' (what a joke!!), debate, present, or manufacture a free energy device without encountering an immediate and real threat to their life, their freedom, their ability to earn money, and/or jeopardize their family's safety.

Does the name Stanley A. Meyers of Ohio hold any meaning for you?

While Stanely was an extremely bright guy, he made the fatal error of clinging to belief in the utter rubbish and foolsihness that you espouse. It cost him his life. And it cost the world an opportunity to retrofit their car for about $600 and run it with only water-any type of water, from distilled to sea water. Not only cars, but ships, planes, rocket engines, in fact anything that runs with a motor. Oh yea, his process allowed an unlimited extraction of free electricity from the water.

How about Edwin Gray? Ever heard of him? He tried to do it 'your way' too. He was murdered in Riverside county in the early 1990's after presenting an auto angine that ran solely on Radiant energy back in 1973. If he wasn't blocked, those engines would have been on the road by 1975

If you weren't such a self assured and wholly arrogant ass, I would tell you the source of the 'attitude and orgone functionality ' reference to which you allude. Well, OK. I'll give you a little hint: W.R.

Saionara, Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: Susan & Peter Eliot
To: Editor
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Joe and his x thing energy cell

Greetings, Ken

Well, we certainly got off on the wrong feet, didn't we? I'm certainly not depending on gaining your favor, either. But in the interest of sharing information and exchange of knowledge about the Joe Energy Cell, lets get past generating the kind of "highly negative emotions or personality or character", which could discharge Energy Cells! I admit that I haven't heard of neither Stanley Meyers or Edwin Gray. Did Stanley have anything to do with the gizmo to attach to / magnetize the fuel line in a car? I heard the fellow who came up with that simple device had some trouble getting started, but now see the rig readily available through Harbor Freight Tools. I concur that those who buck the current of mass culture and power interests attract far too many unwelcome responses.

My immediate question, after being unpleasantly surprised by your first terse reply to my observations, is one you may wish to contemplate - Why do my observations on the effect of your characterization of others or the impact of secretiveness create such a hot-button for you? We don't have to like each other's opinions. I doubt my opinions on these specific issues has relevance to the operation of a Joe Energy Cell, which I trust is the more important fact to establish. I was relating the impact on me of your derogatory approach and secretiveness in general. Please at least work with me. As you are the only one I, as yet, know of that has any connection with this technology, it is incumbent upon me to make an effort to keep the communication line open.

Thank you for referencing the text, The Joe Phenomenon by Barry Hilton, the videos and other materials in your article. I'd like to know about their availability, so I can get other input. If you can help to make the work of Joe more easy to follow and understand, rather than name-calling me along with others who fail to recognize this knowledge, I would appreciate it. Could you provide a bibliography and name sources for copies of the book, experimenter's guide, videos and other literature you mentioned as well as ways to contact the authors, (other than Joe)?

Of specific interest to me:

Are there working drawings, construction diagrams, photographs or stills from videos which show variants of the Joe Energy Cell which have been known to work? Have Joe Energy Cells been adapted to engines with fuel injection rather than carburetion?

In the process of polishing some of the parts, what is used to do the polishing and what degree of smoothness is necessary as a minimum goal? (I know smoothness is quite relative - some new materials being developed for ceramic finishes, when compared under electron microscope, make common glazes look like the crates of the moon.)

Have you any updates on the acquisition / creation of correct kind of water? What about proper containment, storage, transport and "shelf life" of water before it is to be used?

To maintain a cell with a "boost" of 12 volt battery electricity, what amperage needs to be applied? I suspect the amount of current available for one minute must be important.

If you can help, thanks!

Peter Eliot

----- Original Message -----
From: Editor
To: Susan & Peter Eliot
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Joe and his x thing energy cell

Hello Peter,

Since you decided to respond in a positive and open minded fashion, I'll address your questions in a similar vein. I apologize for being so harsh with you in my previous e-mails, but I had assumed that you were a skeptic of the usual 'debunking' variety, a breed with whom I have little patience (I'll explain a bit later why I feel that way). However, I also had another motive for pricking you: I wanted to see how you would react. If you came back with expletives and anger, it would have confirmed my suspicions, but since you came back with sincere inquiry, I'm willing to invest the time to explain my position.

Let's begin by examining your first e-mail, which consisted of four paragraphs. While your first paragraph expressed a positive interest for more investigation into the Joe cell, your remaining three paragraphs were devoted to skepticism and criticism of my article. If I was a person who knew nothing about the Joe Cell, or of ether physics, or the topic of free energy, and had only read your e-mail, then I think I would come to the conclusion that the Ken Adachi article wasn't worth reading as it was overly laden with 'denigrating personal references...of those who are skeptical' and 'secretiveness' among other charges (By the way, most of the statements that you made in these three paragraphs are filled with implied assumptions and presumptions -undoubtedly inculcated from your school days- which are flat-out mistaken; your reverence for skepticism is one of them).

Here is your second paragraph:

Information in the media stream, (including the article by Ken Adachi ), that will attract meaningful attention must not contain in its body any denigrating personal references to the character of those who are skeptical. Such content is an immediate put-off to those who would likely do the most to advance the cause of genuine development and utilization of such a claim of alternative energy technology.

If we lived in a balanced world where science and scientists, academic institutions, the government, etc. were TRULY interested in the pursuit of truth and the advancement of knowledge to benefit humanity, then there would be an appropriate place for intelligent skepticism, or better yet, a view towards prudent and thorough inquiry and investigation. But that's not the sort of world we live in. We live in a country where the free pursuit of scientific knowledge, especially in schools, has been undermined, subverted, and channeled into a narrow band of accepted 'norms' centered on the Einstein model of the universe. This was not an accidental development. It was intentionally set into motion and ushered into being by the Fabian Society of England beginning near the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries. By the middle of the 20th century, the Fabianists had infiltrated and co-opted every major institution of higher learning in America to promote only the Einsteinian mechanical, chemical view of a dead universe- devoid of spirit and the Aether.

Whenever we touch on the topic of science in America (or the western world for that matter), skepticism is "King". The vast majority of 'professionals' of science, whether they work in a laboratory or teach in the classroom, or pontificate from their easy chairs, will automatically exhibit a knee jerk critical response to new inventions, new information, or new ideas and will automatically accuse the inventor of deceit or quackery unless that inventor can demonstrate 'double blind', 'reproducible', laboratory environment 'proof' employing the skeptic's instrumentation, the skeptic's accepted theories, the skeptic's "laws" of science, the 'peer review' of similar minded skeptics, and their world view paradigms. Anyone who dares not genuflect deeply before any of these altars, will soon encounter a wall of scorn from Establishment science. That's not science Peter, that's religion.

You are 180 degrees out of phase with reality when you say that my analysis of the destructive role of skeptics is a 'an immediate put-off to those who would likely do the most to advance the cause of genuine development...'. Nonsense. Skeptics have never caused the advancement of anything- except maybe the girth of their bloated egos.

The truth is just the opposite: conventional science skeptics have done more harm than any group to destroy the enthusiasm and initiative of real inventors and genuine scientists who stumbled upon something of value in their basement workshops only to be met with establishment jeers when he attempts to explain his invention in order to secure development funding. The handful of non establishment inventors who do manage to secure funding in the beginning at least, will soon have the money rug (or their life) pulled out from under them when the Big Boys get wind of the project. This has happened repeatedly throughout the 20th century: Edwin Gray, Antoine Priore, Stanley Meyers, Viktor Schauberger, Thomas Moray, John Hutchinson, Philo Farnsworth, Harry Perrigo, John Searle, Nikola Tesla, ...the list goes on and on and on.

New inventions which can clearly demonstrate a new phenomena of energy (like the Joe cell) should be greeted with wonder and delight, not skepticism or derision simply because the establishment knuckleheads (or the inventor!) cannot adequately explain the theory of its operation. The theory of why it works is not important when compared to the fact that the damn thing works!!!

Why anyone in their right mind would stop dead in their tracks and tie themselves in knots arguing about the theory of operation-when the device is free wheeling right there on the bench, happy as a clam- is beyond me. Yet that's exactly what happens when you allow the sacred cow of skepticism to dominate the parade and just sit there in the middle of the road.

In your third paragraph, you said:

Another difficulty is the unapologetically anonymous nature of the origin of the primary work. Those who wish to remain apart from the impact of notoriety can interpose intermediaries or mechanisms to buffer ridicule or invasive attention easily enough without resorting to "mystery-man" tactics. Secretiveness raises red flags immediately and serves only to put many of the public, scientific and industrial community on the defensive at best. More commonly, I suspect those who would generate concurring testimony are induced to dismiss claims from secretive or mysterious sources as being "crack-pot" or not worth the time and energy it takes to ferret out the truth behind a claim.

Here is where your naivety really takes center stage. It's hard to imagine that an adult living in the year 2004 could actually say such things with a straight face, but apparently you believe it, so I'll tell you 'The Rest of the Story'.

The government has its surveillance tentacles imbedded in every square inch of this planet. It is not possible to produce a significant anomalous energy output or build a device that extracts substantial free energy from the ether or build an antigravity device, or make anything that would revolutionize our present dependence on electric companies, oil companies, etc. and avoid government detection. Your notion that such an inventor can 'easily' avoid 'invasive attention' is precious beyond words. Government or Illuminati goons will usually visit the intrepid inventor long before the public hears of his work and have a little 'talk' with him. The 'talk' goes something like this:

"Check with us first before you go public with anything. If we approve, you can do something on a small scale just as long as the technology is not easy to copy and the application is limited. If you have something that we want, we will take it from you , we will not pay you for it, and we will forbid you from talking about it, unless you want to be imprisoned (or killed) for breach of national security."

In earlier decades in America, the Illuminati might send in ringers posing as collaborators or assistants and sabotage the equipment beyond repair (Moray), or get their government stooges to put the inventor in jail on fraud charges for 'deceiving' investors with a car that 'couldn't possibly run on (radiant) free electricity' when it was conveniently arranged for newspaper reporters (and photographers) to be present when Harry Perrigo was 'exposed' while demonstrating his car for investors in the early 1930's. One of the 'reporters' tore the backing off the front seat of the car while Perrigo went into his house to get something and exposed a bank of 3 or 4 small, lead acid batteries. The batteries weren't big enough to power an electric bicycle, let alone propel a car at 80 miles an hour for hours on end (as demonstrated by Perrigo), yet this was all the 'proof' that that DA needed to convict poor old Harry. One can only imagine the genuine look of astonishment on Perrigo's face when these planted batteries were 'discovered'.

In the case of Joe, he never sought publicity or profit from his invention. The 5.5 hours of video tape showing Joe in the shop and on the road using the Joe cell, talking about how it works, etc. were shot by amateurs. The Joe video tapes cover a a period of five years, from 1993 to 1997. The man never attempted to sell anything, not even the video tapes. Joe's humility and altruism, and the fact that he lived in sparsely populated Australia, is probably why the tapes were able to get into circulation before the Illuminati goons had a chance to pay Joe the obligatory 'visit' (which did occur shortly after the video tapes went public in 1998). Following the 'visit', Joe went into hiding for nearly a year. He was worried that his family would be harmed. The goons had stripped his shop bare to the walls: tools, cells, equipment, etc... everything.

You last paragrapgh states:

The above two points reveal my approach to the human condition as an organic life form with altruistic capabilities on a physical planet: We are here and can do what we want, but it doesn't seem to further our situation if we choose to interact in such a way that we set up obstacles in each others' way which demand some of us to suspend an effort toward intelligent investigation, shared experience and communication. Indeed, to introduce a new idea in such a counterproductive manner, regardless of the facts behind the claim or idea, serves to demonstrate and further other capabilities of the human condition such as a desire for attention, self-delusion, greed, or a wish for power and control over others.

Here again, you're spinning your wheels. These are high minded words that sounds nice, but they have nothing to do with reality. You don't seem to realize who the real players are behind the scenes. You talk about obstacles that 'we' set up to thwart communication, etc. How foolish can you be? You've accepted the cover story that everything is on the up and up; that scientific investigation is open and honest, and that anyone who develops a free energy device or any revolutionary invention for that matter is going to be able to patent it, bring it to market, promote it, etc. That's not reality.

First, the military/industrial complex and the so called secret government have been hoarding (and keeping secret from the public) all of the real inventions of merit for the best part of the 20th century. They simply steal the technology from inventors who are not under their control. It the guy balks too much, he's either intimidated, or abducted and placed under mind control or he's killed. Any patent application that is submitted to the US Patent Office is FIRST reviewed by the military and if they see anything that even borders on advanced technology, they will take it from you and threaten you not to talk about it or even work on it.

Some bright scientists/inventors are willing to work for them, some are co-opted, and some are placed under mind control. The government has been seeking out bright children for decades and have often programmed those kids under mind control to serve their agenda. This is the real purpose behind the personality assessment tests that were developed in the late 40's and early 50's. Every SAT score for every child in this nation is reviewed by government computers and those with advanced minds are monitored and and targeted for induction into government service.

When you add on the advanced technology that was obtained from extraterrestrials through treaty arrangements, the secret government and their Illuminati pals have technologies that are roughly 100 years in advance of anything that the public is being told about. The world could have been enjoying unlimited free electricity and free telephone communications since 1910 with the building of Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter at Wardencliff on Long Island. The system worked perfectly. All of the experimental bugs were solved in the 1890's when Tesla spent a year at Colorado Springs, Colorado. We could have been free of oil dependence even before we became oil dependent. The government has equipment that can reverse any disease condition, can reverse aging, can neutralize any radioactive substance, can travel in antigravity spaceships, and can transport a man in time or space to any location in the universe or on earth. We have particle beam weapons that are powerful enough to blow a hole clear through a small moon! And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

I hope you can now understand why I accused you of wallowing in naivety in my initial response to you. The only way that someone can make free energy inventions known to the public, and allow the public to take advantage of the knowledge, is to GIVE AWAY the information freely and try to keep your identity secret so the goons won't come after you. If you try to patent it and market it, you will be taken down. A recent casualty was the Lutec free energy device out of New Zealand. There was a big publicity splash a couple of years ago, radio shows etc., and then NOTHING. And that's what always happens whenever naive people cling to the illusions they've been conditioned to believe-NOTHING

I'll send another e-mail with info about the Joe cell.

Regards, Ken