NWO Skeptic Requires Emperical Proof-Letters to the Editor of Educate-Yourself.org

----- Original Message -----
From: Vinnie Marck <infinitepi78@hotmail.com>
To: <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 3:01 PM
Subject: hello

I'd like to commend you on a truly interesting site- I'm glad I found it. However, lots of questions come-up after reading the site. First off-what exact proof do you have in order to support any of the claims you assert? The Illuminati? The Zetas? Safe places in the coming Pole-Shift?
There's a lot of true and good content in your site (i.e. proper diet, meditation, and exercise for opitimal immunity). But what leads you to believe all of your other assertions?

I can't believe you'd take the time and effort to work only with suppositions, rumor, or fantasy...something has to be convincing you- what is it?

You signed your name infinitepi with a small "i". Is that your name or is it Vinnie Marck?

The information outlined in Coming Attractions was written in 1996 and was a compilation of material that I had gleaned in the previous year from varous sources. All of the souces, books, historical referrences, etc. that I gathered the info from is clearly stated at the beginning of the synopsis.

The Zeta information is voluminous and is located at their web site, zetatalk.com. It took me about 3 months to read all of it. I have recently come across the work of Anna Hayes and find her information compelling. I've written about it and referrence an important area of conflict with the 2003 passage of Nibiru outlined by ZetaTalk. You might want to read about her at:

Also, I've revised the introduction to Coming Attractions on my home page. Go to the home page and scroll down to "Introduction-Earth Transitions" and read my latest comments.

As far as the Illuminati and their agenda, the evidence is not only copious and bountiful in books about them, but is plainly visible in daily life by anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. Go to my Products page and scroll down to books listed under New World Order. The books listed by David Icke and Dr John Coleman alone will give you a Phd level education in the Illuminati and their long history of manipulation. Plenty of articles at David Icke's web site as well:

Also, don't worry. You won't have to wait much longer before the plans laid out for you by the Illuminati are up front and in your face. You'll have a front row seat right here in the soon-to-be- dismembered United States.

What you have found agreeable at my web site is information that you have already been exposed to. What you allude to as supposition, rumor or fantasy is information that you have not been educated in and therefore view with suspicion. Read Icke's book, The Biggest Secret, or John Coleman's, The Committee of 300, and then get back to me about the "rumors'.

----- Original Message -----
From: Vinnie Marck <infinitepi78@hotmail.com>
To: <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: hello

Hi Ken,

Thanks for your reply!

Question: Do you believe everything and anything you either hear or read?
I've come across David Icke's works before...very interesting. However, how can you tell wether or not what he asserts is fact or just the random rantings of someone who is severely paranoid? And, from what reliable source is he getting his information from? How can YOU tell fact
from fiction?

The only way you can truly believe something is if you see it with your own eyes...Empirical evidence is the only valid evidence that can lead someone to any logical conclusion. I could write volumes on how my dog is truly the Messiah reincarnated, and that he's telepathically communicating with the world. Since I wrote about it, are you going to believe me?

Also, so many people believed we were going to experience the Apocalypse when 2000 came round. Pounds and pounds of Cataclysmic literature. Did it come?

It's obvious that the ruling class- the rich, dominate our politics, and in essence control the construction and organization of our society (is that a form of mind control? maybe). However, there's no available data for you to conclude that the so called Illuminati are plotting to kill off 1/2 of the world.

So again, we're back to square one...What PROOF do you have?

Yours Truly,
Vinnie (a.k.a infinitepi)

----- Original Message -----
From: <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
To: Vinnie Marck <infinitepi78@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: hello

Hi Vinnie,

What you're asking me to do in this letter, is to supply you with an education that you are unwilling to acquire yourself. You have the typical mindset (and laziness) of a skeptic: "Prove it to me". "I'll only believe what I can see with my own eyes" is what you are plainly saying.

Emperical evidence and logic have their place, but are they the ONLY means for validation? You apparently think so, but there are many minds in this world who know otherwise. Besides, the emperical evidence and logical conclusions which you find so validating concerning the Illuminati do indeed exist, and in great volume. You're just unwilling to study the authors and souces which document it- because you're already convinced of your conclusions.

Here's an example from your own writing:

>"I've come across David Icke's works before...very interesting. However, how can you tell wether or not what he asserts is fact or just the random rantings of someone who is severely paranoid? And, from what reliable source is he getting his information from?"

Have you actually read Icke's book " The Biggest Secret" ? I don' think so. If you had, you would already know the answers to the very questions you pose. His sources are listed at the end of each and every chapter. His sources run to more than 30 pages. In your first letter, you also asked me for the sources of my information quoted in Coming Attractions and I responded that they were right there on the first page of the synopsis.

You're simply not looking Vinnie. You don't see it because you don't want to see it. You already know all the answers and you don't care to look for any new ones.

You engage in sophistry when you attempt to draw an analogy comparing the literature available about the Illuminati agenda and you writing a book that your dog is the messiah and whether people will believe you because you wrote it down in a book. That argument has all the weight of a goose down feather.

"Pounds and pounds of Cataclysmic literature" that many people believed forecasting the Apocalypse in 2000? Nah, I don't think so. An exaggeration on your part. Besides, the hype about Y2K was put into motion by govt disinfo agencies with the intention of getting people like you to respond (afterwards) precisely the way you have.

> "However, there's no available data for you to conclude that the so called Illuminati are plotting to kill off 1/2 of the world."

Really? Where have you looked? Under your keyboard? Or perhaps behind that softchair that you sit in arriving at most of your conclusions?

You, obviously, have never heard of the Club of Rome or the Global 2000 Report, yet you have the arrogance to protest that there is "no available data"?

The only thing that's unavailable Vinnie, is someone to remove those blinders that keep you looking straight ahead. (see http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwopopcnsaglobal2000report10mar81.shtml )

>"So again, we're back to square one...What PROOF do you have?"

I'm not at square one Vinnie. I got off square one about 7 years ago. When are YOU going to move off of it is the real question you should be asking yourself..

Sincerely, Ken